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Van

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I think that responding to you is becoming a fools errand SNIP

Given the cost in both finances and human suffering resulting from the American Civil War it is really almost idiotic to think that all that capital was exhausted because the common man on either side of the Potomac wanted to end the institution of slavery of which many in the north had no first hand experience with, most in the south were not directly involved with and was in the process of self extinguishment anyway. It may make some feel good to think that lofty goal was the reason but it's wasn't. Slavery exists today in some places in the world and we do not see young men willing to offer up their lives to bring it to an end, now do we?
Yes, it is a fools errant to challenge truth with falsehood.

Did "common man" vote to go to war? Nope. So who said the war was caused by the view of "common man?" No one.

Did anyone say most northerners had first hand experience? Nope

Was slavery "in the process of self extinguishment?" If true then slavery was not the cause of the war. But the claim is a convenient fiction.

Sustaining slavery is not a lofty goal, but that is the cause of the war.

And finally you did hit on one truth, the common people of the north were largely not willing to die to bring an end to slavery, but were willing to preserve the Union. Thus Lincoln talked a lot about the Union, and the evil disunionists.
 

Salty

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Thomas 15 - are you getting tire of hitting your head against the wall -
I know I am.
 

percho

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History according to Van.

1) Lincoln sought ways of preserving the union even allowing slavery to continue. The sending of reinforcements to Fort Sumter rather then leaving it as requested by the town and state, triggered the start of the war. Not slavery, but states’ rights.

2) pure biased formed by your own prejudice.

3) the “Battle Hymn” was written by Julia award Howe who was very active in society reforms.

For facts here is a portion of the Georgia declaration of separation
While the subordination and the political and social inequality of the African race was fully conceded by all, it was plainly apparent that slavery would soon disappear from what are now the non-slave-holding States of the original thirteen. The opposition to slavery was then, as now, general in those States and the Constitution was made with direct reference to that fact. But a distinct abolition party was not formed in the United States for more than half a century after the Government went into operation. The main reason was that the North, even if united, could not control both branches of the Legislature during any portion of that time. Therefore such an organization must have resulted either in utter failure or in the total overthrow of the Government. The material prosperity of the North was greatly dependent on the Federal Government; that of the South not at all. In the first years of the Republic the navigating, commercial, and manufacturing interests of the North began to seek profit and aggrandizement at the expense of the agricultural interests. Even the owners of fishing smacks sought and obtained bounties for pursuing their own business (which yet continue), and $500,000 is now paid them annually out of the Treasury. The navigating interests begged for protection against foreign shipbuilders and against competition in the coasting trade. (Taken from The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States)
The south viewed the control by the North of the Federal government from the foundational documents, as nothing but outright policy to subjugate the South.

The history of the treatment of the South prior, during and after the War of northern aggression, is proof the Southerners were right.

Great post age


As the Preacher wrote, "There is nothing new under the sun,". All need to read, again, what Samuel told the people concerning the king who would be their ruler. They would be his slave. In reality.

Question? What would happen to you and your property, house, included if you do no pay your taxes?

Who owns the house you live in?

In 1863 there was nothing new under the sun and neither is there, today.

IMHO
 

percho

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BTW OP I am not KJV 1611 O but do believe it had it's place and was God ordained.
 

percho

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Do you use/ study/ preach out of other versions?

Not a preacher. The bible I have is KJV but mostly I use Blue Letter Bible and use all on there. You have probably noticed I post a lot from YLT mainly because I am not convinced that the definite article, the. is not very important to the understanding of the word of God. I also believe the genitive should be translated in the, "of," understanding. However as I have stated many, many times I know, no Greek so I could be very mistaken. I am very monergistic in my belief and I believe those two things support monergism in the Greek .

I would love for some of the Greek gurus speak to this. I miss Tcassidy for that very purpose even though he could be very short and sarcastic at times.
 
States rights and confederate flag is generally a cover up for supporting slavery and not considering all persons to be equal.

I see. But you're cool with the Stars and Stripes, right? The flag that flew over slavery for about sixty-five years, flew over countless atrocities against the Indians, was carried in marches by the Ku Klux Klan, flew over a segregated military, flew over eugenics, flew over lynchings, flew over the internment of Japanese Americans, flew over segregation, etc?

We could just as easily call you a racist for supporting the Stars and Stripes, but, because we're not idiots, we know that wasn't the purpose of the flag, but a misapplication of the flag.
 

AustinC

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I see. But you're cool with the Stars and Stripes, right? The flag that flew over slavery for about sixty-five years, flew over countless atrocities against the Indians, was carried in marches by the Ku Klux Klan, flew over a segregated military, flew over eugenics, flew over lynchings, flew over the internment of Japanese Americans, flew over segregation, etc?

We could just as easily call you a racist for supporting the Stars and Stripes, but, because we're not idiots, we know that wasn't the purpose of the flag, but a misapplication of the flag.
You are making a great argument for a national day of repentance.
 
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