The Church is fulfilling it's mandate from God. "He who hears you, hears me" Jesus said.
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The Church is fulfilling it's mandate from God. "He who hears you, hears me" Jesus said.
How did you come to this conclusion from the Apostle's writings?
"You" are His chosen disciples that physically witnessed Him. If it goes beyond that then we all get to be included.
So there is no Church? Where are we to take our problems to get resolved? To the Church my friend! You act as if there never was an institutional church here on earth, one that was led by the successors of the Apostles, you know the people of the new Christian Church who decided Christian doctrines and who fought against the heresies that cropped up from time to time. The Scriptures are not the Church, they are words printed on paper, the guide for the human decision makers, the leaders of the institutional Church here on earth. Time for you to bone up on Christian Church history.
The Scriptures state that they (the Apostles) stayed with Jesus after some Jews asked how they could eat His body and drink His blood. They (the Apostles) accepted what the Lord said and continued following him. Not to mention that this truth was passed onward to all believers and there was no discarding of this belief until the 16th century. The whole weight of historical truth goes against you my friend. If you folks get this basic truth so wrong, your claims on other scriptural issues are extremely suspect.
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No, rather they stayed with Jesus as they knew that His words were from and of God...They did not endorse Eucherist!
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Jesus had also called himself a door and a vine, No disciples murmur How can this guy made of wood or does he think he is a plant.
But when it comes to precepts of what you are allowed to eat or not so deeply ingrained from childhood even Peter still had objections after even the ressurection:
Acts 10
13A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!” 14But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.” 15Again a voice came to him a second time, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.” 16This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.
Even a chapter before Jesus made greater claims, even equality with God, and not a single disciple leaves.
Jesus had also called himself a door and a vine, No disciples murmur How can this guy made of wood or does he think he is a plant.
But when it comes to precepts of what you are allowed to eat or not so deeply ingrained from childhood even Peter still had objections after even the ressurection:
Acts 10
13A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!” 14But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.” 15Again a voice came to him a second time, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.” 16This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.
Salvation is found by no other name in heaven or on earth, at the name of Jesus, not any Pope nor any Church!
Your posts are totally off-topic and you are making an absurd assertion. Even when I was a Baptist I knew Catholics, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodist, Reformed etc who often include the names of saints in the names of their churches did not believe that that particular saint (or saints) shed their blood for sinners.
No, if you understood the Gospel, it is not an absurd assertion. Those Pic's clearly say the ownership of the Church belongs to Peter/Andrew/Matthew. What is absurd is your denial of what the pictures clearly say.
It's CHRIST's Church!
I believe this is right in line with the OP--these little mini kingdom factions of the RCC is evident--nothing "Catholic" about it.
And that is ridiculous too.
I see! It is ok that Baptists name their churches using the name of a saint but not Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, Reformed etc?
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No you misunderstood. It's not ok
So, your believe that any church body that includes the name of a saint within it's name is misunderstanding the gospel message? That the congregation believes the saint died for their sins? Because that is what you stated. Do you in all honesty believe that the Baptist congregations that I provided the links to really believe that those Saints within their names died for their sins? Do you think that's what the pastor teaches his congregation? Be honest now!
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