would you still attend the same church?

[nodak]

To be clear, in my what if musings I was thinking more of a tower of Babel thing, where the music just disappeared, not where some person vetoed having it.

And some of my musings come from, as previously stated, knowing several families that attend a church where they like the music and then go around all week telling everyone they don't believe what is taught or preached at the church they attend.

I would imagine if the entertainment factor--be it hymns, ccm, country, western, rap, whatever, doesn't matter--was gone and folks had to actually just listen to the preaching our specific town would see a lot of folks never darken a church door and many play a sort of fruit basket upset.

Wouldn't be practical but might be a better way when new in a town to find a church--go to Bible teaching and to preaching. Make your choice of those you agree with and those you don't and THEN try the music portion only of those churches you believe teach and preach accurately.

Might prove interesting.

 

[Mexdeaf]

And some of my musings come from, as previously stated, knowing several families that attend a church where they like the music and then knowing several families that attend a church where they like the music and then go around all week telling everyone they don't believe what is taught or preached at the church they attend.

I know many people who attend a church that they "like", but "then go around all week SHOWING everyone they don't believe what is taught or preached at the church they attend". Know some pastors like that, also.

=80

 

[HAMel]

"But let's be careful of indicting a church because they choose to use projection for putting words on a screen."

...fine, so what happens if the power goes out?

 

[Mexdeaf]

"But let's be careful of indicting a church because they choose to use projection for putting words on a screen."

...fine, so what happens if the power goes out?

Same thing that happens in a church that doesn't project the words- the pastor has to read them. I once attended a church service where there was no power for the entire morning due to a snafu by the power company. It was too dark for most of us to see our Bibles but our pastor was bale to preach just fine.

 

[rbell]

"But let's be careful of indicting a church because they choose to use projection for putting words on a screen."

...fine, so what happens if the power goes out?

We carve pentagrams in our bellies, devour live goats, and sing "Stairway to Heaven" backwards while burning Jack Chick tracts by simply staring at them intently.



If the power goes out, it's too dark to read the Bibles we brought in our facility. We'd likely grab a flashlight, and continue with our worship service, and things would be just fine.

D'oh! Sorry to disappoint you. Although, I'm sure we're still doing something wrong...

 

[Aaron]

To be clear, in my what if musings I was thinking more of a tower of Babel thing, where the music just disappeared . . .

I think that folks would find the peace and joy and power in simple reading, exhortation and doctrine so unspeakably fulfilling, that were an instrument brought back in, they would be appalled and repulsed.

 

[HAMel]

rbell, I guess then you all need to carry on.

As for me I'll stick with the traditional ways. Those ways have worked for centuries..., why not now? Believe it or not I still listen to the likes Oliver Green; Perry F. Rockwood; Bob Jones, etc.

I am certainly of the opinion that our Lord is "not" against technology but adding the disco beat with speakers as big as coffins, the songs and messages flashing on the wall, the jumping of pews, the short skirts and necklines, pants hanging below the belt line, the selling of coffee cups in the foyer along with a book or two to include a host of other Marketing Techniques being relied upon by so many churches..., somehow leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to Worship Service, but that's just me I suppose.

As stated, I am a bit old fashioned.

...I think of Benny Henn, et al, offering "Prayer Cloths" for sale..., for a price of course. I've a relative that has wasted a lot of money on this mess but has yet to admit she's a lost sinned and repented. She's 78 now. If this guy offered to pray over a new set of tires for her car she'd buy 'em from him. Go figure...

 

[Mexdeaf]

rbell, I guess then you all need to carry on.

As for me I'll stick with the traditional ways. Those ways have worked for centuries..., why not now? Believe it or not I still listen to the likes Oliver Green; Perry F. Rockwood; Bob Jones, etc.

I am certainly of the opinion that our Lord is "not" against technology but adding the disco beat with speakers as big as coffins, the songs and messages flashing on the wall, the jumping of pews, the short skirts and necklines, pants hanging below the belt line, the selling of coffee cups in the foyer along with a book or two to include a host of other Marketing Techniques being relied upon by so many churches..., somehow leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to Worship Service, but that's just me I suppose.

As stated, I am a bit old fashioned.

...I think of Benny Henn, et al, offering "Prayer Cloths" for sale..., for a price of course. I've a relative that has wasted a lot of money on this mess but has yet to admit she's a lost sinned and repented. She's 78 now. If this guy offered to pray over a new set of tires for her car she'd buy 'em from him. Go figure...

Nothing wrong with"old-fashioned"- unless it gets in God's way. A lot of times "old-fashioned" is just as fleshly as some "new" fashions are, they are just more accepted by the "old" crowd that "amens" it without question.

 

[Mexdeaf]

I think that folks would find the peace and joy and power in simple reading, exhortation and doctrine so unspeakably fulfilling, that were an instrument brought back in, they would be appalled and repulsed.

David would disagree.

 

[Aaron]

I'm sorry, I don't recall an Apostle David.

 

[sag38]

Nor do we recall an Apostle Aaron either.

 

[webdog]

rbell, I guess then you all need to carry on.

As for me I'll stick with the traditional ways. Those ways have worked for centuries..., why not now? Believe it or not I still listen to the likes Oliver Green; Perry F. Rockwood; Bob Jones, etc.

I am certainly of the opinion that our Lord is "not" against technology but adding the disco beat with speakers as big as coffins, the songs and messages flashing on the wall, the jumping of pews, the short skirts and necklines, pants hanging below the belt line, the selling of coffee cups in the foyer along with a book or two to include a host of other Marketing Techniques being relied upon by so many churches..., somehow leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to Worship Service, but that's just me I suppose.

As stated, I am a bit old fashioned.

...I think of Benny Henn, et al, offering "Prayer Cloths" for sale..., for a price of course. I've a relative that has wasted a lot of money on this mess but has yet to admit she's a lost sinned and repented. She's 78 now. If this guy offered to pray over a new set of tires for her car she'd buy 'em from him. Go figure...

If you want to do it the "traditional way", you will need to get robes for you and your congregation and gather around someone who reads from a scroll.

 

[HAMel]

"If you want to do it the "traditional way", you will need to get robes for you and your congregation and gather around someone who reads from a scroll."

...it's just not worth the effort.

Have you ever known of Oliver Green; Perry F. Rockwood; Bob Jones; Billy Sunday and a few dozen more to wear robes and read from scrolls.

 

[Winman]

We do a little of both in our church. Usually we will read the passage out loud, the pastor will read the first verse, then the congregation will read the next verse. We go through the passage like this.

But our pastor will also use Powerpoint and project it on a screen. I like this, because I don't have to have my head down as I follow his reading.

As for lacking musicians, backing tracks can be purchased for almost any hymn, I have seen many people sing to a backing track. As long as the music is not overly elaborate it works well. I don't like it when the music distracts from the singing, which can be the case with some backing tracks.

 

[tinytim]

"I've heard people say they look in the parking lot when looking for a new church and if the majority aren't carrying Bibles, they won't go.
Well, our church puts the verses up on powerpoint and for Sunday school we often just use the bible on the i-phone."

When you go hunting you take your shotgun along. If you're going bowling you take your bowling ball along. Going to church? You take your Bible with you. As for the "power point"..., what happens if the power goes out?

I break out my Ipod touch that has the Bible in many translations on it...

 

[nodak]

I've also known folks so caught up in "expository preaching" they fail to really hear what the preacher is saying.

And folks so caught up in either "dress up for church to honor God" or "dress casual to win the lost" that they chose church for that issue. Fine if both preach the gospel, but plumb silly when your chosen style preaches the opposite of what you believe.

Entertainment style church surely involves the music, but it can involve a whole lot more.

 

[rbell]

"If you want to do it the "traditional way", you will need to get robes for you and your congregation and gather around someone who reads from a scroll."

...it's just not worth the effort.

Have you ever known of Oliver Green; Perry F. Rockwood; Bob Jones; Billy Sunday and a few dozen more to wear robes and read from scrolls.

OK, so "old-fashioned" means from 1870-1960. Older than that is bad. Newer than that is really bad.

Thanks for clearing that up.