The Solidarity Party
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Would you support this political party?
- Thread starter Salty
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No, capital punishment is a law given to Noah by God after the flood.
Can you expound
KenH
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I am considering switching from the Libertarian Party to the American Solidarity Party. I am quite intrigued about learning more about distributism as an alternative to socialism and capitalism.
KenH
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Here is the American Solidarity Party’s YouTube page.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoPhIvqeWyoxdhLIjVL_Www
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoPhIvqeWyoxdhLIjVL_Www
KenH
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I first heard of the American Solidarity Party back in February due to this article by Charles Camosy in the “New York Post”:
https://nypost.com/2020/02/06/the-democratic-party-is-telling-millions-of-pro-lifers-to-get-out/
https://nypost.com/2020/02/06/the-democratic-party-is-telling-millions-of-pro-lifers-to-get-out/
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canadyjd
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I read most of the link. I can’t support them because.....
1. They look too much to government control and spending and especially control of economy.
2. They would ban abortion with no exceptions, not even life of mother.
3. They would re-enter Iran nuclear deal.
4. They would re-enter Paris climate accord.
5. They would impose “cap and trade” on companies
6. They would ban fracking
7. They would restructure economy in such a way that would destroy private investment, intellectual property rights, etc.
8. They blame the United States for most of the problems in the world.
Peace to you
God commanded the death penalty for murder to the Prophet Noah at the end of the Flood because man is made in the image of God. Genesis 9:6
I won't support a political party (the Anabaptist in me, I guess 
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I am drifting from capital punishment as well. The reason is Christians advocating the death penalty often claim Scripture as a basis but apply a non-biblical standard (Scripture mandates requirements they dismiss in favor of DNA evidence, ect).
). I am drifting from capital punishment as well. The reason is Christians advocating the death penalty often claim Scripture as a basis but apply a non-biblical standard (Scripture mandates requirements they dismiss in favor of DNA evidence, ect).
KenH
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All abortion should be banned. Consider the Principle of Double Effect:
Abortion, The Mother’s Life, And The Principle of Double Effect |
I won't support a political party (the Anabaptist in me, I guess
I am drifting from capital punishment as well. The reason is Christians advocating the death penalty often claim Scripture as a basis but apply a non-biblical standard (Scripture mandates requirements they dismiss in favor of DNA evidence, ect).
I am not understanding what you are saying about DNA.
Old BB argument. Scripture prohibited the death penalty without at the testimony of at least two witnesses. Some insist DNA evidence is a substitute for this biblical requirement.
I don't see 2 witnesses in Genesis 9:6 but the USA executes so few that it is academic anyway. Even open and shut cases never are executed and when they are now and then, it is 20 years later. I doubt if the USA could even execute German war criminals nowadays. Che is a hero and Castro is a saint to the left yet both were cold-blooded murders.
As Truman Capote said when asked if he wrote In Cold Blood, no I wrote in ink.
Its later in the Law. I believe the principle applies and did in Genesis (I believe it was a given).
We have to remember also that under the laws of some states Paul would have been eligible for tge death penalty regardless of his conversion.
At one time I was pro-capital punishment but I am moving from that position.
That said, my philosophy here is to each his own. We are not accountable for the positions of others. I guess I'm becoming a softie as I get older.
canadyjd
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Thank you for the link. I did read most of it but disagree as applied to this issue.
I oppose abortion except if the mother’s life is at risk.
The reason is that I don’t believe a person should be forced to give their life for another.
Take the case of tubular pregnancies. The egg is fertilized in the tube and never implants in the uterus.
There is no medical chance of that pregnancy becoming viable. The harm to the woman can be life threatening and cause permanent damage to the reproduction system.
peace to you
How often do you think that happens
KenH
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Wouldn’t the Principle of Double Effect handle that?
canadyjd
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I have changed my position as well. I use to support the DP, but now believe Christians should not support it.
Governments do have the authority from God to implement the DP, but Christians should not support it.
The passage in Gen.9 does not give an absolute statement on the death penalty as some say. It is a reference to an ancient near East custom of the “blood avenger”. There were no laws in place, there were no governments.
As proof Gen. 9 was not an absolute “law” concerning the death penalty, I point to Moses (he murdered an Egyptian and fled) prior to God giving the OT law. God did not require his blood/death.
I point to David (who murdered Uriah to take his wife) after the OT law was given. God did not require his blood/death.
I point to Paul (who persecuted Christians to the death) and God did not require his blood/death and who claimed under inspiration of Holy Spirit that the reason God showed him mercy was to serve as an example of God’s mercy toward the worst of sinners (even murders like Paul) for future generations of Christians to emulate.
Finally, I point to the woman caught in adultery. When Jesus said, “let the one without sin cast the first stone” He wasn’t shaming them. He was changing the OT law concerning the death penalty.
The OT law required two or three witnesses to cast the first stone. Those witnesses were implementing the death penalty and took responsibility for their actions before God.
Jesus changed that law. No longer do the two or three witnesses implement the death penalty. It is the “One without sin” that implements the death penalty.
Of course, God is the only one without sin.
As I said before, God does grant governments the power to implement the DP, but Christians should not support it. We should follow the example of God’s mercy toward Paul.
peace to you
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canadyjd
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I don’t know, but enough to be a recognized condition.
The position of this party is to make abortion illegal in all cases, no matter how rarely the condition occurs.
peace to you
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