Would you take the COVID Vaccine?

[Reformed1689]

I will. Thanks for the excellent advice.

I would recommend watching the video above of Trump talking about the vaccines that I posted. You may like his style better.

I honestly don't care what Trump said about them. The fact is the virus is 1 year old. We do not know the long-term impact of this vaccine (despite your claims). It is impossible to know long term effects because nobody has had it long-term. Common sense.

Furthermore, the virus is not nearly as bad as the media likes to portray. Not even close.

 

[Gold Dragon]

I honestly don't care what Trump said about them. The fact is the virus is 1 year old. We do not know the long-term impact of this vaccine (despite your claims). It is impossible to know long term effects because nobody has had it long-term. Common sense.

What time frame of data do you need to make a decision? If you want to know the adverse event profile after 5 years it will be too late to be useful by then. As I said, the phase 1 trials started in March for Moderna so we do have 11 month data on some people. There were 45 people in the trial and they will still be followed up for adverse events longer term.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2022483

 

[church mouse guy]

I remember lots of folks here caring about the economy. Here is your chance to do something about it.

Here is what Trump said about them. Trump is giving good information here.

President Trump Remarks on COVID-19 Vaccine | C-SPAN.org



If you have questions about the vaccines with regard to differences, development, safety and effectiveness, I can point you in the right direction for you to read the data for yourself.

Trump is discredited because he lost an election to a pinhead. Here is the official US government certification: 2020 Electoral College Results

 

[Marooncat79]

Big day in SC yesterday!! We now have 100,000 vaccinated!!!

Oh yeah, the population is over 5M.

They were actually bragging about it


At this rate we will be done in about 10 yrs

Progress homeys

 

[Van]

Yes, I hope to be vaccinated as soon as possible. But since I live in California ....

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I remember lots of folks here caring about the economy. Here is your chance to do something about it.

Here is what Trump said about them. Trump is giving good information here.

President Trump Remarks on COVID-19 Vaccine | C-SPAN.org



If you have questions about the vaccines with regard to differences, development, safety and effectiveness, I can point you in the right direction for you to read the data for yourself.

OK....my wife has stage 4 breast cancer and is taking Letrozole and Ibranse (sp) and gets radiation treatments. Our concern is the risks, the interaction with chemo etc. I’ve heard the chemo renders the vaccine ineffective....is that true?

 

[Reformed1689]

What time frame of data do you need to make a decision? If you want to know the adverse event profile after 5 years it will be too late to be useful by then. As I said, the phase 1 trials started in March for Moderna so we do have 11 month data on some people. There were 45 people in the trial and they will still be followed up for adverse events longer term.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2022483

5 years sounds about right.

 

[tyndale1946]

Yes, I hope to be vaccinated as soon as possible. But since I live in California ....

Me to Sacramento... I turn 75 on Saturday and on Sunday, my wife and I are going to set up the time and place to get ours... So if you are at least 75... Quit dragging your feet Van... Brother Glen

Btw... Are you ?

 

[OnlyaSinner]

Big day in SC yesterday!! We now have 100,000 vaccinated!!!

Oh yeah, the population is over 5M.

They were actually bragging about it


At this rate we will be done in about 10 yrs

Progress homeys

Maine (pop. 1.35 million) was above 150,000 thru yesterday, though about 1/4 were 2nd doses so maybe 115,000 have at least one. There are more sites/capacity for vaccinations than doses allocated to the state. I'll be seeking an appointment in the next few weeks but won't panic if I have to wait longer.

 

[Van]

Me to Sacramento... I turn 75 on Saturday and on Sunday, my wife and I are going to set up the time and place to get ours... So if you are at least 75... Quit dragging your feet Van... Brother Glen

Btw... Are you ?

I am fine so far. I have been told my doctor will notify me when I can be vaccinated.

 

[Gold Dragon]

OK....my wife has stage 4 breast cancer and is taking Letrozole and Ibranse (sp) and gets radiation treatments. Our concern is the risks, the interaction with chemo etc. I’ve heard the chemo renders the vaccine ineffective....is that true?

Always talk to your doctor for specific advice regarding your own medical case as they will have better understanding of your context. I see no concerns for your wife getting the vaccine from what you have stated and she is likely in a higher risk category that would be prioritized for the vaccine.

Specific data on individual drug interactions is not available yet. Here are the drug monographs in Canada for the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines from the companies. I didn’t see any concerns except for the note from both that immune suppressed patients may not mount as strong a response to the vaccine. The treatments she is on now should not cause overall immune suppression but your doctor is best positioned to answer this.

https://www.pfizer.ca/sites/default...h_COVID-19_Vaccine_PM_EN_244906_09Dec2020.pdf

https://covid-vaccine.canada.ca/info/pdf/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-pm1.pdf

From a mechanistic perspective, Letrazole and Ibrance should not interfere with how the mRNA vaccines work since they target specific hormone receptors and not general DNA/RNA function like traditional chemo.

Radiation targets a specific area so it will not make the vaccine ineffective which will be all over the body. And the vaccine already would have taken action and degraded before she had her next round unless you did them the same day.

The main risk might be things like potential increase in nausea, fatigue or aches if she already gets those from her other treatments.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Always talk to your doctor for specific advice regarding your own medical case as they will have better understanding of your context. I see no concerns for your wife getting the vaccine from what you have stated and she is likely in a higher risk category that would be prioritized for the vaccine.

Specific data on individual drug interactions is not available yet. Here are the drug monographs in Canada for the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines from the companies. I didn’t see any concerns except for the note from both that immune suppressed patients may not mount as strong a response to the vaccine. The treatments she is on now should not cause overall immune suppression but your doctor is best positioned to answer this.

https://www.pfizer.ca/sites/default...h_COVID-19_Vaccine_PM_EN_244906_09Dec2020.pdf

https://covid-vaccine.canada.ca/info/pdf/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-pm1.pdf

From a mechanistic perspective, Letrazole and Ibrance should not interfere with how the mRNA vaccines work since they target specific hormone receptors and not general DNA/RNA function like traditional chemo.

Radiation targets a specific area so it will not make the vaccine ineffective which will be all over the body. And the vaccine already would have taken action and degraded before she had her next round unless you did them the same day.

The main risk might be things like potential increase in nausea, fatigue or aches if she already gets those from her other treatments.

Always talk to your doctor for specific advice regarding your own medical case as they will have better understanding of your context. I see no concerns for your wife getting the vaccine from what you have stated and she is likely in a higher risk category that would be prioritized for the vaccine.

Specific data on individual drug interactions is not available yet. Here are the drug monographs in Canada for the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines from the companies. I didn’t see any concerns except for the note from both that immune suppressed patients may not mount as strong a response to the vaccine. The treatments she is on now should not cause overall immune suppression but your doctor is best positioned to answer this.

https://www.pfizer.ca/sites/default...h_COVID-19_Vaccine_PM_EN_244906_09Dec2020.pdf

https://covid-vaccine.canada.ca/info/pdf/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-pm1.pdf

From a mechanistic perspective, Letrazole and Ibrance should not interfere with how the mRNA vaccines work since they target specific hormone receptors and not general DNA/RNA function like traditional chemo.

Radiation targets a specific area so it will not make the vaccine ineffective which will be all over the body. And the vaccine already would have taken action and degraded before she had her next round unless you did them the same day.

The main risk might be things like potential increase in nausea, fatigue or aches if she already gets those from her other treatments.

Thanks—will let her know

 

[Iconoclast]

This lady took the vaccine; She was healthy before it worked in nursing.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10217562429754985

 

[Gold Dragon]

This lady took the vaccine; She was healthy before it worked in nursing.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10217562429754985

My first thought was some kind of conversion disorder which seems to be what some of her doctors have suggested. Her movements are not typical of any neurological pathway. It will be registered in the adverse events database and if a pattern develops, we will see it.

Moderna COVID-19 vaccine symptoms claim made in viral video disputed

To hear Shawn Skelton and her fiance tell it, the uncontrollable shaking and tongue spasms she suffered days after taking the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine could only be a reaction to the shot.
...
"Three days later after the Moderna shot, this was the uncontrollable shakes," Skelton's fiance, Rich Vidiella, said from her hospital bedside Monday. "If she gets worked up thinking about it, she gets crying. It takes over her body for like a good maybe minute or two, and she’ll start shaking even worse."
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They say doctors at hospitals in Evansville, Gibson County and Nashville, Tennessee, have told her she likely suffered a panic attack, PTSD or conversion disorder.

"Nobody wants to point it toward the vaccine," Vidiella said.

Skelton said she takes an anti-depressant once daily — but that's not why she's having these problems.

 

[Iconoclast]

Yeah..I had seen that. As if they would admit this is a side effect.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Yeah..I had seen that. As if they would admit this is a side effect.

With medication adverse events when we are looking at new drugs, they cast a wide net and include all reported reactions even if they are unlikely to have been caused by the drug. If you look at the side effects list for drugs the very rare list is usually very long because they include things that maybe only one person in the tens to hundreds of thousands who were tested experienced. And they continue collecting data years after the medication is authorized and continually update the databases. Most likely those reactions had nothing to do with the drug but they still are reported. So now they have 1 case of this movement or psychiatric disorder. Psychiatric adverse events are still adverse events.

 

[Scott Downey]

Yeah..I had seen that. As if they would admit this is a side effect.

Could mRNA COVID-19 vaccines be dangerous in the long-term? - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)
An article published by the National Center for Biotechnology Information, a division of the National Institutes of Health, said other risks include the bio-distribution and persistence of the induced immunogen expression; possible development of auto-reactive antibodies; and toxic effects of any non-native nucleotides and delivery system components.

No long term effects can be known yet. Auto immune disease is a serious problem. One I have read is a worry it will cause infertility in women as auto immune antibodies will be made to HCG, so the eggs will fertilize, then the body will self destroy it.

This women's reaction is real, you cant fake that. Any thing that lessens public confidence in this vaccine will be rigorously opposed by the system.

 

[Scott Downey]

See we just dont know do we if a vaccine is safe. 1976 swine flu vaccine was not, yet CDC said 80% of the public must be vaccinated, and what happened turned out disastrous.
Neurological complications of swine influenza vaccination - PubMed (nih.gov)

Abstract
The emphasis upon the remarkably large number of cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome which resulted from the 1976 National Swine Influenza immunization program in the U.S.A. has obscured the fact that other neurological complications, involving the central nervous system also occurred. The anatomical distribution of lesions is almost identical with that seen following other types of vaccination: involvement of the brain, cerebellum, optic nerve, cranial nerves and spinal cord occurred with approximately the same frequency. 5 instances of the very rare subacute or chronic, progressive, post-vaccinal encephalopathy are described, a situation which is identical to the subacute and chronic forms of polyradiculoneuropathy. In a number of cases, in particular the myelopathies, a subclinical involvement of peripheral nerves was demonstrated by means of electrodiagnostic studies, illustrating the often overlooked fact that central nervous system involvement will mask peripheral nerve lesions. The etiological significance of the swine influenza vaccination was overlooked and completely erroneous diagnoses were established in a surprisingly large number of the 26 new cases reported here.


The Long Shadow of the 1976 Swine Flu Vaccine 'Fiasco' | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine

 

[Scott Downey]

I was a teenager at that time in 1976 and barely remember it in the news, I recall POTUS FORD on TV talking about the seriousness and the necessity for the public to all be vaccinated, but none of us were. apparently some 25% of the public were vaccinated before they had to stop. I lived in the suburbs of DC in Fairfax county back then.

 

[Gold Dragon]

For some context, Guillan Barre Syndrome (GBS) is a very rare condition where the immune system response to some immune trigger (usually an infection but also vaccines which by design mimic the immune response of an infection) causes it to attack nerves which can lead to a variety of symptoms, sometimes temporary, sometimes permanent, sometimes mild, sometimes severe. We cannot predict who will get it and what will trigger it.

Whether we vaccinate folks or not, there is a certain unlucky percentage of the population that will develop GBS as a response to infections they pick up. That percentage is estimated to be around 6-40 in 1 million people per year.

In 1976, the flu shot was given to 45 million people and 532 developed GBS that was linked to the flu shot during the period. 543 people developed GBS without the flu shot during that same period. It is calculated that the flu shot that year was responsible for 1 additional case of GBS for every 100,000. Not a good outcome but still a very rare occurrence.

GBS (Guillain-Barré Syndrome) and Vaccines | Vaccine Safety | CDC

Guillain-Barre syndrome following vaccination in the National Influenza Immunization Program, United States, 1976--1977 - PubMed

In terms of current risk of GBS, the current flu shot.

Guillain-Barré syndrome and Flu Vaccine | CDC

The background rate for GBS in the Unites States is about 80 to 160 cases of GBS each week, regardless of vaccination. The data on the association between GBS and seasonal flu vaccination are variable and inconsistent across flu seasons. If there is an increased risk of GBS following flu vaccination it is small, on the order of one to two additional GBS cases per million doses of flu vaccine administered.