Wrench In Prosecution’s Knee-On-Neck Narrative

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Intriguingly, under oath the forensic pathologists are frequently deferring to other specialists when it comes to physiological details leading to death. It makes one wonder just how qualified they are to determine cause of death.

Then completely contradicting herself about her own experience, which was precisely none, the mentor of the coroner was certain of the cause based on what she saw in videos and what non-medical bystanders said.

At some point, a theme song begins to emerge: "I've Been Working on the Railroad."

 

[Scott Downey]

Was he resisting the entire time he was being pinned face down on the ground by multiple police officers?
Was there a time when that level of restraint was no longer necessary? (After he was first restrained and before an ambulance revived him).

Hindsight, no , his system collapsed.
Sorry but in a situation like that, police don't take further risks like letting suspects loose. This is not some childhood game where someone cries 'uncle' and you let them go.

 

[atpollard]

"Beaten with a bat"? "Maximum harm"? Emotional hyperbole leading far from the facts.

Hyperbole, yes.
Far from the facts, no.

Was the position Floyd was maintained in making the struggle to breathe easier or harder? Was it necessary for the entire time it was applied?

I am not inclined to place the officers on trial for their actions. That is a matter for the court to decide based on whether what they did was legal and within police policy guidelines.

I am inclined to question the policies and guidelines that go so far in dehumanizing a criminal that the police are trained to make a bad situation worse. If the ambulance had not arrived for an hour, would they have pinned him to the ground for an hour?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I am not inclined to place the officers on trial for their actions. That is a matter for the court to decide based on whether what they did was legal and within police policy guidelines.

I am inclined to question the policies and guidelines that go so far in dehumanizing a criminal that the police are trained to make a bad situation worse. If the ambulance had not arrived for an hour, would they have pinned him to the ground for an hour?

Agreed, putting an officer on trial for using police training is ridiculous. Put the training on trial. If the restraint was not according to training, that is another matter.

The police department and the city may be liable, but they won't go to prison, only have to pay out from taxpayer funds. --- And offer up a sacrificial victim to take the heat off themselves. Hmmm. Wonder where they could find one of those.

 

[777]

Yeah, the prosecution seems to be shifting away from the knee on the neck killed him to the idea that the cops should have never put Saint George in the prone position.

Doesn't apply in this case, but the cops would have killed if I'd been placed in that position during an acute asthma attack, but old George wasn't having one of those - if you notice he will not shut up and he's talking in complete sentences throughout. It's easy to sit around and complain how the cops had to restrain this giant, they were physically way outmatched and Floyd was strung out on drugs. Really, he should have never been out walking the streets, dealing drugs and passing paper in the first place and he was had eight prior felony convictions. That's where "the system" failed,

 

[Scott Downey]

Floyd would not have died except for the massive drugs in his system which he took. I blame Floyd for Floyd's death.
Taking those drug was his choice to do.

I feel sorry for the police officers who had to deal with him, look at what his evil actions brought about.

In todays wicked society, i would not go blaming police for the evil actions of other people. Romans 13 says SUBMIT and not REBEL, when Floyd rebelled and did not submit that shows he was the enemy of God.

1Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

 

[canadyjd]

Hindsight, no , his system collapsed.
Sorry but in a situation like that, police don't take further risks like letting suspects loose. This is not some childhood game where someone cries 'uncle' and you let them go.

There is no “further risk” when the handcuffed suspect is unconscious, unresponsive and had no discernible pulse.

peace to you

 

[atpollard]

Sorry but in a situation like that, police don't take further risks like letting suspects loose. This is not some childhood game where someone cries 'uncle' and you let them go.

Once again, the folly of the excluded middle. Pretending the only two possible choices in the universe are:

1. three police officers pinning a man to the ground indefinitely.
2. "letting him go".

If only they had other choices like ...

• shacked (hand and foot) and sitting up.

 

[Scott Downey]

Once again, the folly of the excluded middle. Pretending the only two possible choices in the universe are:

1. three police officers pinning a man to the ground indefinitely.
2. "letting him go".

If only they had other choices like ...

• shacked (hand and foot) and sitting up.

Sure, but they waited as they did not want the big guy attacking them, if he was loosed. I suppose in their thinking, they had him under control, and did not want to risk injury to them or him. Another concern was the crowd of gawkers. What if the mob came close and tried to stop the arrest. Police could have been worried something would happen to them if he was sitting up, like he could get away with the crowd or take a hostage.

Either you believe the police are evil or you agree with Romans 13.

Maybe some city areas should have no police at all, no go zones, let things run wild with crimes. I often think in some of those places the sheer numbers of criminals outweigh them that aren't.