Written authority?

[citizenofheaven]

A while ago KJVBT started a thread about our final authority. I was not able to follow this thread closely, but I noticed that several people mentioned the Holy Ghost being their authority. I was wondoring, does anyone here believe that there is a Written final authority

 

[Marcia]

Yes, I believe the Bible (any version as long as it's not a paraphrase) is my written final authority. That is what I use to measure other teachings by and what I use for knowing God and Christ more (aided by the HS). The Bible also comforts and convicts me.

The HS works through God's word and teaches and leads believers as we read (but not into cultic or weird beliefs, then it's not the HS).

The differences between versions do not affect any doctrine essential (or even secondary, that I know of) to the faith. God mercifully gave us His word and preserved it through the translations of fallible men so that we have it in many versions and many languages today.

 

[Marcia]

Okay, citizenofheaven, I responded before seeing on another thread that you are a KJVO #4.

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you started this thread to sincerely discover what people believe and not attack them. Am I right?

 

[DeclareHim]

I believe there is a written final authority. Mostly in the ISV,NASB,NKJV,HCSB. All those versions agree exactly on doctine issues. I agree with Marcia that the HS speaks through God's Word.

1cross+3nails=4given

 

[citizenofheaven]

Originally posted by DeclareHim:
I believe there is a written final authority. Mostly in the ISV,NASB,NKJV,HCSB. All those versions agree exactly on doctine issues. I agree with Marcia that the HS speaks through God's Word.

1cross+3nails=4given

A written authority in four versions A is singular, four is plural

 

[Bro Tony]

A written authority in four versions A is singular, four is plural

Marcia,

I believe you got your answer as to the purpose of the question. And the beat goes on.

Bro Tony

 

[HankD]

The Masoretic Hebrew OT and the Textus Receptus Greek NT together are the Traditional Text and is my final written authority.

HankD

 

[michelle]

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The Masoretic Hebrew OT and the Textus Receptus Greek NT together are the Traditional Text and is my final written authority.

HankD
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But myself, and many other faithful English speaking christians do not know these languages, and many other generations of christians did not either, and OUR FINAL AUTHORITY is and will ALWAYS BE the KJB. Same equivalence to those foreign languages you call your final authority, only in our own language, to which we can understand, and many have understood, rather than relying upon and taking the chance of being decieved by modern day scholarship telling us that what their interpretations of it are now different than what God already wonderfully provided for English people.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[Pastor_Bob]

Same equivalence to those foreign languages you call your final authority, only in our own language, to which we can understand, and many have understood, rather than relying upon and taking the chance of being decieved by modern day scholarship telling us that what their interpretations of it are now different than what God already wonderfully provided for English people.

Very well said. You, I, and many others understand that we are to walk by faith and not by sight. Your statement above says it better than I could have.

 

[michelle]

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Very well said. You, I, and many others understand that we are to walk by faith and not by sight. Your statement above says it better than I could have.
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Thanks Pastor Bob! I really appreciate your comments. I think rather your answer is better, as you reminded us all of what the scriptures themselves have said. Thank you.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

[edited to repair bold function which was the intention of the poster]

[ August 29, 2004, 09:43 AM: Message edited by: Pastor_Bob ]

 

[Ed Edwards]

Michelle: " ... OUR FINAL AUTHORITY is and will ALWAYS BE the KJB."

To paraphrase citizenofheaven:

A written authority in three versions A is singular, three is plural

On my computer desk I have three seperate and distinct books
called The King James Version (KJV):

1. KJV1611 Edition
2. KJV1769 Edition
3. KJV1873 Edition

IMHO there is no written "final authority".
Furthermore and still In my Humble Opinion (IMHO),
people appealing to their understanding of the KJBs as final authority
have caused more doctrinal variation than all Modern Versions
differences combined.

Praise Iesus!

 

[natters]

citizenofheaven, yes I believe there is a written final authority. My written authority is the same final authority available to Bible believers in 1600 and other times. That which was "final" was not and could not be made unfinal and errant and corrected and replaced in 1611. Final means final.

KJVOs have rejected the real final authority and replaced it with one of their own choosing.

 

[HankD]

But myself, and many other faithful English speaking christians do not know these languages, and many other generations of christians did not either

So what? Many did and still do.

and OUR FINAL AUTHORITY is and will ALWAYS BE the KJB.

Speak for yourself. I prefer the one that God GAVE FROM THE BEGINNING, the one with the JOTS AND TITTLES (which cannot “pass from the law” but which CANNOT BE FOUND in the KJV in any revision or any edition).

I can SHOUT LOUDER THAN YOU.

Same equivalence to those foreign languages you call your final authority, only in our own language, to which we can understand, and many have understood,

The NKJV qualifies much better as “our own language”. This is the 21st century.

rather than relying upon and taking the chance of being decieved by modern day scholarship telling us that what their interpretations of it are now different than what God already wonderfully provided for English

You mean like P Ruckman and G Riplinger? Who approve of substituting “easter” for God’s Passover?

...what God already wonderfully provided for English people.

Yes, English speakers have been blessed with translations and versions of God’s Word in standard 1300’s English, 1400’s English, 1500’s English, 1600's English, 1700’s English, 1800’s English, 1900's English, etc, etc, always allowing provision in the common language of the day as He has done from the beginning in “koine” aimed at the common person as currently illustrated by the KJV, NKJV, NASB. etc.


HankD

 

[robycop3]

To choose any one translation as one's final authority is to choose a particular TRANSLATOR or GROUP OF TRANSLATORS as one's final authority.

 

[citizenofheaven]

So, what you're saying is that you don't have a written final authority?

 

[natters]

citizenofheaven, why was the final written authority in 1610 made unfinal, corrected and replaced? Unacceptable.

 

[citizenofheaven]

Who said it was?

 

[citizenofheaven]

originally posted by HankD:
You mean like P Ruckman and G Riplinger? Who approve of substituting “easter” for God’s Passover?

Is there something wrong with this?

 

[natters]

Um, all of KJV-onlyism? That's why you accept the KJV as your "final authority" and not an earlier Bible, isn't it? If there was a "final" authority in 1610, you believe it was replaced, don't you? That "final" actually isn't "final" at all?

 

[citizenofheaven]

The final authority was not "made unfinal, corrected and replaced". It was translated into the most common language, keeping it's purity, and the old, unecessary manuscripts were allowed to fade away just like all the others.
At the time the KJB was translated, both languages (greek and english) were at their pinnacle of purity. since then both languages have degenerated to a point where any new translation is unreliable.