Written authority?

[robycop3]

jAMES nEWMAN:There are doctrines in the KJV Bible that are seriously watered down in other translations, such as the trinity. You say "The trinity is in my Bible, brother James, I don't know what your talking about!" I said it is watered down. The clearest scripture that proves the trinity is changed in modern translations so as to render it useless in proving the trinity.

Maybe it's because the verses didn't belong there to start with. "Sounding good" doesn't always equal "authentic".

If I, as a Christian, am supposed to look to God's word as my final authority, I must know what word to look to. God wouldn't have given the Israelites 20 prophets who agreed on most points but had differing opinions of some (so called) minor points, and then ask the Jews to pick which one they thought was the most reliable...

He gave us four different Gospels which contain four different narrations of the same events. If you don't apply the same principles which justify these four different accounts all as Scripture to other valid BVs, then you're using a DOUBLE STANDARD.

The Bible is God's word, and He esteems His word higher than His name.

Another KJV booboo. Please consult the Hebrew, to see it SHOULD read, "along with His name".


I can't believe that he would do otherwise than preserve His word, especially in these last of the last days.

No one's saying He didn't preserve His word; the prob arises when someone says He preserved it ONLY in his/her fave version. There's simply no basis at all for such a statement . Those who say God's word in English is preserved ONLY in this or that version are simply wrong, relying upon GUESSWORK AND OPINION for their choice. They simply don't have any PROOF...they simply PICK-N-CHOOSE.

BEWARE THE LEAVEN OF THE KJVO!

 

[robycop3]

Anti_Alexandrian:And you've never gotten past my little challenge:chapter and verse supporting God's word coming from Egypt please...

Yes, I HAVE.

I plainly said there's NONE.

I answered your"challenge" although it's completely meaningless. Why is it meaningless? Because there's no Scripture designating ANY one place as the fountainhead of all God's presentations of His word.

BUT...YOU'VE failed to provid SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for the KJVO myth, or answer Archangel 7's persistent question: "If you read both Greek and English, whaddya do when the KJV differs from its Greek source?"

 

[robycop3]

James Newman:My question is why do we believe in a God of miracles, but insist he use earthly means to preserve His word?

The answer? "With God, all things are possible".

Where is He limited, except in things He's said He won't do? Can't He use anyone or anything to do whatever? He caused Nebuchadnezzar to attack Jerusalem instead of Rabbah by using the PAGAN methods of divining the Chaldeans practiced.(Ezekiel 21:21)


That is not very consistent with His nature. He didn't produce a reliable Jesus on the third day, but for a time, Jesus was gone. Jesus is the Word made flesh. So if the Word was not to be found for a time, and He resurrected it, it would be perfectly consistent with His ways as they have been revealed to us.

Not really. Jesus came, died, and was resurrected at His appointed time. He will return at His appointed time. the ONLY time God hid His word was shortly after AMOS' time, early 700s BC. And God specifically said, "IN THE LAND", which specifically meant the lands of ISRAEL AND JUDAH.

God's way is to do whatever He's chosen by whatever means He's chosen. And NOWHERE IN SCRIPTURE does He limit Himself as to how He may present His word.

 

[robycop3]

James Newman:just in case anyone doesn't get it

First, "wisdom is justified of her children". Would I be justified in shooting everyone I knew to be homosexual? I could point to the Scriptures for such justification, but the judge/jury wouldn't be too impressed with my excuse, even if every one of'em were a devout Christian.

That's exactly what those in your link have done. They're trying to justify their sin by their other actions, kinda like the person who's murdered someone and says, "But look how I helped his FAMILY....They collected a $10 meg life insurance policy!"

Now, why isn't the word "homosexual" in the KJV? It wasn't coined until 1892.

And to say a "homosexual offender" as found in Scripture is someone who offends HSs is absurd.

 

[Charles Meadows]

James,

"I personally would have a hard time believing that a God who created the universe, and claims to be able to keep me, would not be able to keep His word. If you say 'of course He can, but He didn't', I say prove it."

I don't think anyone would doubt God preserved His word. But I still don't see the connection that establishes the KJB, a translation in the 1600s, as THE ONLY preserved word of God. Indeed "king", "james", and "bible" don't occur together anywhere in scripture.

As English has changed God has provided for the preservation of His message by giving us some more contemporary translations.

 

[Archangel7]

Originally posted by James Newman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Archangel7:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by James Newman:

What I am saying plainly is that we have been given a perfect Bible in English and we do not need a scholarly class to interpret dead languages for us to know the will of God.

There are many people who read both Greek and English. What are they to do when the Greek text differs from the KJV's translation of it? </font>[/QUOTE]Which greek? The one that you like best? The fallacy of 'the original greek' is getting old. </font>[/QUOTE]What do you do when the Greek text that the KJV translators themselves used differs from their English translation of it?

 

[Archangel7]

Originally posted by Anti-Alexandrian:
And you've never gotten past my little challenge:chapter and verse supporting God's word coming from Egypt please...

Asked and answered. The Scriptures tell us that Egypt is the place of God's providential preservation. Egypt is where Abraham and his family (Gen. 12:10), Joseph (Gen. 37:28), Jacob and his family (Gen. 42:1-3), young Moses (Ex. 2:10), and Jesus, Joseph and Mary (Mt. 2:13-14) were all preserved and kept safe.

 

[James_Newman]

Sorry it took so long for me to get back, some times you gotta live life outside the internet

Anyway! I've heard all your arguments before, you've heard all mine before. I will continue to recommend to anyone who asks that they read the KJV. I still want to know your authority for a 66 book canon. You say the church is your authority, my church believes the KJV is the word of God, theres my authority. If its good enough for you 66-Book-Onlyists, its good enough for me.

As for leaven, who is the morning star? My Bible says Jesus is the morning star. Why does the NIV call Lucifer morning star? I know, I know, its another Booboo in the KJV.

I must admit that I'm starting to remember why I stopped doing this years ago.

Mr RobyCop, I don't know what your shooting homosexuals argument has to do with anything, however I suppose that you will tell me that the KJV has put the punctuation in the wrong place when it said 'effeminte, abusers of themselves with mankind' as they NIV translators seem to think homosexual offender is the equivalent of effeminate abuser, which is not what the KJV says at all.

As for updating God's word for the dumbed down people, hold fast the form of sound words.

I'm going to let someone else take over, because I have better things to do in these last few days before our Lord returns. If you think you have the word of God, rather than argue about which version is best, I suggest you start believing it and get on with the work guys. We will all stand before the Lord, and I'm sure He can tell us then which version He wanted us to read. I pray that I have handled myself appropriately til now, but I know this is just going to get worse, and we are all going to have to give account of every idle word (Im sure that includes the ones we type.)

I appreciate the fact that you brothers believe so ardently that greek is gooder than english, and are trying to save me from some fearful fate that awaits people who dare believe God would dare preserve a perfect Bible. I'll take my chances. God is merciful and He knows our hearts better than we ourselves.

 

[Craigbythesea]

A simple good-bye would have sufficed.

 

[AVL1984]

You forget, Craig, they have to get their slam in before they leave. It's common practice for many of them. 25 posts....another KJVO hit and run poster.

AVL1984

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Any votes against closing this in accord with the five page rule?

 

[Anti-Alexandrian]

Anti_Alexandrian:And you've never gotten past my little challenge:chapter and verse supporting God's word coming from Egypt please...

Yes, I HAVE.

I plainly said there's NONE.

Then HOW can you hold up the Hescyhan "bibles"(200+ now)and claim their are the word of God when Scripture clearly does not support them??!!

I answered your"challenge" although it's completely meaningless. Why is it meaningless? Because there's no Scripture designating ANY one place as the fountainhead of all God's presentations of His word.

WRONG!!! Acts 11 thru 13 states different...Not one word or letter mentioning God's word coming from Egypt in any shape,form or fashion..Sorry!!

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by James Newman:
As for leaven, who is the morning star? My Bible says Jesus is the morning star. Why does the NIV call Lucifer morning star? I know, I know, its another Booboo in the KJV.

The morning star is the planet
Venus. In fact as of this writing, it appears
as the morning star. That beautiful star
next to it this morning was the
ringed planet Saturn. If you don't have
clouds you can also see Venus (but not
Saturn) today as the day star. At times
Venus can be seen as the evening star, when
it follows the sun as the sun goes down.

Both the KJV and the NIV use the similies
used by the Greek and Hebrew of Jesus
being as the Morning Star (for real)
and Satan being like the Morning Star
(a phony). Of course, all similies use
one or two (but a limited number) of
similarities to compare. For example,
the type of Satan shown in Isiah 14:12
shows Satan as a false dawn (as the Morning
Star brings a little light but is soon
followed by the REAL LIGHT: the Sun)

Ifaiah XIIIJ.12 (KJV1611):

How art thou fallen from heauen,
||O Lucifer, sonne of the morning? how
are thou cut downe to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations?

Sidenote: || Or, O day starre.

The REAL King James Version, the 1611 Edition,
has footnotes that dispell the myth
that one of the names of Satan
(AKA: chief Devil) is "Lucifer".
Satan is NOT the bright and morning star
in any version of the Bible - it is
a similie. Jesus is NOT the bright and
morning star in any version of the Bible
-- it is a similie.

Praise Iesus!

 

[Ed Edwards]

James Newman: "I'm going to let someone else take over,
because I have better things to do in these last few days
before our Lord returns. If you think you have
the word of God, rather than argue about which version
is best, I suggest you start believing it and
get on with the work guys."

That is pretty arrogant. I'm not in a mood to let you
judge me falsly today. Not that you are likely to read this
statement, being a hit and run poster.

BTW, every time i went to Egypt, i never got on
a horse. I think Ifaiah XXXI.1 refers to the
time of Ifaiah himself. Recall shortly
after Isaiah's prophecy,
the emperor of Babylon destroyed the combined
armies of Egypt and Assyria. Babylon displaced
Assyria and did something Assyria never could do:
occupied Egypt for a generation.

What does the trust in the chariots of Egypt in 500BC
have to with Bible source documents found in Egypt?
Our blessed Lord and Savior, Messiah Iesus, found
saftey in Egypt.

Praise Iesus

 

[James_Newman]

ok, let me try it again...

goodbye, God Bless.

You guys kill me

 

[HankD]

I still want to know your authority for a 66 book canon.

Church tradition (before the apostasy of Rome).

HankD

 

[michelle]

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James Newman said:

It seems odd to me that Christians who expect the Lord to keep His promises in regard to preserving their bodies perfectly, would think He might not keep the same promises when made about His word.

Here's a free clue: "God preserved his Word" does not mean "God preserved his Word in the KJV only."
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And here is a clue for you all: God did not promise to ONLY PRESERVE His pure words in ONLY GREEK AND HEBREW manuscripts. In fact, God's word says HE PRESERVES IT FOR THE FAITHFUL. To which I and many others are, and we speak English, and not these foriegn dead languages (Psalm 12). God has also evidenced HE has preserved his words in our language, as generations of churches have had it. This is a very unacceptable excuse you all use in excusing away, the omission of one of the strongest verses of God's word of truth regarding the trinity.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[michelle]

Amen!!! Brother James. God bless your dear heart. It is so refreshing to see another who understands the truth regarding this issue. You said it really well, when you reminded us all that God holds his word above even His own name. And so also should we.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[Ransom]

robycop3 said:

And to say a "homosexual offender" as found in Scripture is someone who offends HSs is absurd.

Makes you wonder what they think a "drug offender" is.

 

[Ransom]

James Newman said:

goodbye, God Bless.

And on that note, the anvil of Truth wears out another hammer of KJV-onlyism.

You gotta laugh.