WTH is happening in Iceland?

[Matt Black]

Here's something I hope we can all agree on: Iceland 'eliminates ' Down's Syndrome....through abortion. One of many stories here: https://www.liveaction.org/news/pat...g-down-syndrome-killing-everyone-that-has-it/

God have mercy! What a despicable policy.

 

[Gold Dragon]

I'm not supporting aborting downs babies but I don't really see any policy from Iceland in this article that is different from any other country that allows abortion.

I think the high percentage quoted is just a product of a small population with high access to health care services. Everything is optional and up to the mother including the tests and the actual abortion itself.

 

[Rob_BW]

Since the geneticist informed me that I have a deleterious MSH6, I admit to having a rather large interest in genetic syndromes. (Don't ignore family history, friends. It might extend your life.)

But abortion is never the answer.

 

[carpro]

The US will follow when the left has beaten down all opposition to mothers murdering their children.

But the preferred selection will not only include Downs syndrome. It will include sex... and race, just like Hillary's hero, Margaret Sanger, envisioned.

 

[HankD]

Here's something I hope we can all agree on: Iceland 'eliminates ' Down's Syndrome....through abortion. One of many stories here: https://www.liveaction.org/news/pat...g-down-syndrome-killing-everyone-that-has-it/

God have mercy! What a despicable policy.

Margaret Sanger is the apparent mother of eugenics of the enlightened world.

Margaret Sanger belonged to an organization called the American Eugenics Society, organized in the early 1900’s. Members from the American Eugenics Society actually formed Sanger’s original group whose name was changed to Planned Parenthood, but even the latter’s first three presidents were officers or members in the AES, including Alan Guttmacher. Sanger is listed as a member in 1956 under her then-married name, Mrs. Noah Slee.

My emboldening.
Margaret Sanger and the eugenics movement – The Denver Post

During a March 27, 2009 speech accepting the Margaret Sanger Award from Planned Parenthood, Clinton talked about being in awe of the racist eugenicist:

Now, I have to tell you that it was a great privilege when I was told that I would receive this award. I admire Margaret Sanger enormously, her courage, her tenacity, her vision. Another of my great friends, Ellen Chesler, is here, who wrote a magnificent biography of Margaret Sanger called Woman of Valor. And when I think about what she did all those years ago in Brooklyn, taking on archetypes, taking on attitudes and accusations flowing from all directions, I am really in awe of her.

FLASHBACK-Hillary: 'I Admire Margaret Sanger...Her VISION' ('A RACE of THOROUGHBREDS')

HankD

 

[Revmitchell]

I'm not supporting aborting downs babies but I don't really see any policy from Iceland in this article that is different from any other country that allows abortion.

I think the high percentage quoted is just a product of a small population with high access to health care services. Everything is optional and up to the mother including the tests and the actual abortion itself.

Yes well that makes it all better doesn't it give me a break,

 

[HankD]

The usual question: where does it end? I mean in terms of status.

If you read the Margaret Sanger piece, a notion was entertained that unwanted babies e.g. Downs Syndrome babies should even be put to death after the birth process (as opposed to only in the womb).

The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.
Woman and the New Race, Margaret Sanger

FLASHBACK-Hillary: 'I Admire Margaret Sanger...Her VISION' ('A RACE of THOROUGHBREDS')

HankD

 

[777]

They seem to go big for genetic testing in Iceland and they're getting genetic counseling like this:

"We don't look at abortion as a murder. We look at it as a thing that we ended. We ended a possible life that may have had a huge complication... preventing suffering for the child and for the family. And I think that is more right than seeing it as a murder -- that's so black and white. Life isn't black and white. Life is grey."

Why Down syndrome in Iceland has almost disappeared - CBS News

bunch of moral relativistic claptrap, but Maggie Sanger FTW - abortion getting rid of the poor, black, and/or infirm. Pro-choice policies will always lead to eugenics.

 

[Matt Black]

I'm not supporting aborting downs babies but I don't really see any policy from Iceland in this article that is different from any other country that allows abortion.

I think the high percentage quoted is just a product of a small population with high access to health care services. Everything is optional and up to the mother including the tests and the actual abortion itself.

It seems to have been the product of a deliberate government policy.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I believe the US % is around 67.

 

[Gold Dragon]

It seems to have been the product of a deliberate government policy.

I'm trying to understand what that policy is and how it is practiced differently from other countries that offer and perform prenatal testing and abortion, which is pretty much every first world nation in the world.

Maybe I should be critical of iceland's policy on this. But I'm just trying to understand what it is that I am being critical of. If it is the way women are counselled, how is it different and how is it encouraged from a policy level down to the individual practitioner?

 

[Gold Dragon]

Fact Check: No, Iceland is NOT systematically eradicating Down syndrome

Again, I am not supportive of aborting Down syndrome babies. What I am also opposed to is perpetuating sensationalism that isn't based on fact.

 

[Terry Robertson]

I pray the Good Lord helps our society overcome the sin of abortion. Every day. I so want to see it end in the US in my lifetime. Keep praying folks. And doing the good work.

 

[HankD]

Fact Check: No, Iceland is NOT systematically eradicating Down syndrome

Again, I am not supportive of aborting Down syndrome babies. What I am also opposed to is perpetuating sensationalism that isn't based on fact.

FACT: Abortion is the shedding of innocent blood. What % babies killed of viable births is acceptable in God's sight?

HankD

 

[Rob_BW]

I think that they confused eradicating Downs Syndrome with eradicating people with Downs Syndrome.

Not the same thing, Iceland.

 

[Gold Dragon]

FACT: Abortion is the shedding of innocent blood. What % babies killed of viable births is acceptable in God's sight?

HankD

Again. I am not supportive of abortion for downs babies and in general.

But the criticism being raised against Iceland is not specific to Iceland. It is true of all countries that perform prenatal counselling and abortion which is every first world nation in the world.

That doesn't make it right. It just makes singling out Iceland wrong. It is legitimate to have a debate about the problems of prenatal testing and abortion globally.

 

[Reynolds]

Here's something I hope we can all agree on: Iceland 'eliminates ' Down's Syndrome....through abortion. One of many stories here: https://www.liveaction.org/news/pat...g-down-syndrome-killing-everyone-that-has-it/

God have mercy! What a despicable policy.

The USA kills almost everybody that has it.

 

[church mouse guy]

Iceland wants a society of perfect people. The doctors do it for them there in Iceland but in ancient Sparta, according to Roman historian Plutarch, they just left the unwanted child outside on a hillside to die--I know because I got a postcard of the place once with the message, "Wish you were here!"

 

[David Kent]

I have known several Churches where couples have had downs syndrome babies. I every case the children have been loved by the children and the congregation.
In my own church a family had a downs child, eventually they considered that they were too old to look after him properly so looked for a christian home, but said they could not find one that would take him. My sister ran a home on the Isle of Wight and they said they would take him, but they soon had difficulties with the authorities, which was so complicated they decided to retire.

Eventually they found a home in Rutland, operated by The Lodge Trust. Philip loved it so the parents moved to Rutland to be near him. Philip acts as a waiter in the trust restaurant, and the parents assist with the trust.