Yahoo Football League

"Honestly I was not there to see what he said. I tried to contact him but he has his email unlisted in our league. I have posted a note in our league to keep the language clean and I hope he will take the hint. I have also removed his rights to send emails to other owners and post messages on the message board."


Convicted, I believe your response is a little overboard. I think we are all men in the league and as such should he email any of us that would give us the opportunity to explain that we did not know that he came in from an at large invitation. Had we known we could have perhaps approached his comment from a different perspective. One would have thought 'league of saints' might have tipped him off but he might have thought we were all New Orleans fans. :laugh:

If no one has PM'd you as to what was said I will.

thjplgvp

 

Ok, now I'm even more concerned. My brother is not from the BB, but wanted to join the same league I was in because he wants to beat me. Honestly, I think he would be happy if he finished 13th as long as I finished 14th. :smilewinkgrin:

But, since he's not on the BB, the statement made above makes me think he was the culprit. If so, he's gonna hear about it from me.

Nobody has yet. Please let me know.

 

I would not characterize the language by Packers as mild. The F-word is not mild. Leagues get heated and the competition can be warm, if not hot. I personally do not want the kind of boorish behavior I saw in the draft (what little time I was there) to be the norm. I can get that kind of talk at any bar and sleaze webpage.

As I said, I'm not advocating that we live in holy huddles, but sports leagues that have their genesis from this board are different animals. The administrative council and I are going to be discussing this issue.

For what it's worth, I do not believe someone having their email as private should be an option (From the perspective of the league commish). That is never a good sign. It's disdained on here for sure.

 

Ok, let's not get all in an uproar about something that really isnt that big of a deal.

A person that is on yahoo joined a league that is on yahoo. That person has that right. He was not joining something that was officially with the BB. Therefore, the BB really has nothing to do here. If someone is on the BB and does not want to play in the league then delete your team.

Why are we expecting someone from the world who is not connected with the BB to act and speak like we do?

I do not agree with what he said, but I am glad we have someone in our league that is from the world. Maybe we should take the opportunity to get to know this guy and show him the love of Christ?

 

I totally appreciate your perspective. However, the administration doesn't cotton to BB sponsoring things that can end up causing problems. And let me play devil's advocate: why not open up the BB to lost people and have the kind of behavior in question in these chat rooms 24/7? We're not saying we should ostracize these folks. I'm just applying BB norms to something that is associated with the BB. Besides, no one is asking the person to "speak and act as we do." We're asking for modest decorum and refrain from insults. I wonder if you were there and saw the comments.

I realize I may not be objective as I was in the line of fire for direct insults from the perp. However, this does speak to greater issues that I never forsaw since to my knowledge a BB league has never been opened to a non-BB member before.

Truthfully, on the other hand I don't feel the need to apologize for being offended at being told more than once to shut the *bleep* up and personally attacked because I asked the person to please tone down the language. If folks think this type of thing is acceptable in a BB sponsored league, then we have bigger problems.

If anyone thinks I'm being unreasonable in expecting a person to behave as an adult and not engage in personal attacks, and if I'm being unreasonable by trying to look out for the Baptist Board, then okay. If I'm not wanted in the league because of this, fine.

 

I dont want you to leave the league or anything of the sort. I just think we are missing a bigger point here. The league is a yahoo league. It is not sponsored or a part of the BB at all. It was simply made known here that the league was open to people here if they wanted to join. Therefore, I really don't see where the BB has a role in this matter at all. But maybe I am missing the point.

 

Tom,

I did not hear or see the f-word. I would not have considered that a mild response none-the-less I somewhat agree with sbc.

thjplgvp

 

If the f-word was used I have not mumbled that in my moments of frustration.

thjplgvp

 

The BB has sponsored this league in an albeit indirect way. Just because Yahoo is hosting it and compiling our stats for us means little. The site is linked from within BB, and even that could make it fall under BB rules and the purview of BB. Is this a league that just happens to have BB members in it, or is it a league that was designed for BB members? Historically, the latter has been the intent.

As I have stated, right or wrong, the administrative council has opinions on this, as to this particular matter and how future leagues should be handled. I will be sharing these as these are codified.

 

I agree with Tomvols on this issue.

There is a context where "shut up" can be used among friends and nobody takes offense. Of course, if you have friends that say "shut the eff up" to you, it might be time to find some new friends. But, regardless, this is not the right medium; the draft was not the right context; and it doesn't sound like the 2 fantasy owners in question know each other well enough to allow the phrase to be used without somebody taking offense.

 

I guess I do not understand how it has "sponsored" it in any way? So if I host a fantasy league and post it on here to invite anyone that wants to come play then that means that the BB is sponsoring my league?

Oh well, it is not that big of a thing to me. You and the BB council can set up whatever you like.

Again, I do not agree with what was said at all. However, I think people are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Oh well, have a great season to all in the league!

 

David, I have a response to your question, and your point is well made and well taken, but before I respond I need to clarify a legal point. Has nothing to do with your words, just mine

 

Sounds like the liberal/socialist thinking that has gotten the federal government involved in every knook and cranny of American life. :smilewinkgrin:

 

Ummm, not quite :laugh:

 

It's pretty interesting that a conversation that did not take place on the Baptist Board is being used to decide what can be discussed on the Baptist Board.

 

I wouldn't exactly call it a "conversation" it was about 4 lines in an IM type window

 

Convicted by the Spirit wrote:

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I'm curious: what "legalistic attitudes" are you referring to? I admit I have a problem being cursed at and verbally attacked, but I'm also concerned about the way BB handles fantasy leagues. If the former especially bothers you and you find that legalistic, then I can't help that. I'd like to think you'd share my concern. If you have no concern about the latter, that's your perogative and truthfully that falls into secondary position behind how our members get treated.

We have a legit statement followed by two red herrings. It has long been an unwritten expectation that leagues that use the BB monicker in anyway due to possible tie-ins to the website are for BB members only. Again, this is problematic because it's not codified and that is something that needs to be addressed. This whole hogwash about "holy huddles" is simply not being properly applied and is legalistic. And non-baptists are sinners? I honestly didn't get the memo. Again, red herrings galore. Remember: BaptistBoard excludes non-Christians. If you really believe websites are wrong that exclude non-believers, then why are you here?

CBTS, I appreciate all your hard work on the league, but I think you're overreacting to something that is a caricature of the issue and not the real issue itself.

I honestly thought about pulling out of the league the day before the draft. If I'd known all the drama was going to ensue, I'dve done it in a heartbeat. I didn't sign up for this. What is encouraging is the support I am receiving from others both inside and outside the league.

Ken wrote:

This makes no sense. This is not the case at all. I fear the issue is getting lost amidst illogical, knee-jerk reactions and short-sighted feelings.

I don't want any hard feelings over this, but I'm doing my job and I'm representing the interests of the Administrative Council. I'm trying to protect the best interests of our members and save BB from headaches that we've had to deal with in the past. I'm sorry that rubs some the wrong way.

 

Gentlemen, we are indeed discussing this to death and we're demagoging this to death. Let's table this for the time being. There is a right way to handle this, and hashing this out in this forum where people who aren't even part of the league are chiming in isn't constructive. Emotions are getting the better of logic, and that's not good. We have a league and we're moving forward. Let's have fun with it. The AC needs to codify what is and what is not a "sponsored" link since it hasn't come up in the Sports area before, and I want to do my best to make sure we aren't creating more of a monster than what is necessary. Having been around practically since the inception of BB, I've seen a lot of good and bad. Armed with that history, I do want to ensure that we're all on the same page so we can enjoy each other's fellowship without unnecessary troubles, be it from within BB or without. I believe Convicted By The Spirit is with me on this, and once again I appreciate your work as commish. :thumbsup:

God bless, and Go Vols! :smilewinkgrin:

 

Goodness. Amazing stuff around here. I did not realize things were such a big deal. In the overall scheme of life this is a complete non issue. No worries here, I won't be posting any information regarding any fantasy leagues on the BB any longer.

Good luck to everyone in the league.:wavey: