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Yahweh and Jesus Christ

SavedByGrace

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Well one of us is playing games. Do you have another example where Yahweh is applied to someone else besides the 2d Person of the Trinity?

Here is another.

"Draw near to Me, hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there. And now the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit” (Isaiah 48, verse 16)

The Speaker is “Yahweh”, and He is said to be sent by another Person, Who is, “Yahweh Elohim”.

The Speaker in this verse, as the passage will show, is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ.

The words in this verse are like those found in verse 3, “I have declared the former things from the beginning”, and verse 5, “I have even from the beginning declared it to you”. In verse 12 and 13 the Speaker says, “Listen to Me, O Jacob and Israel, My called; I am He, I am the First, I also am the Last. My hand has also laid the foundation of the earth”. Language that can hardly be use by Isaiah, or any other human being! Then, in verse 15 we read, “I, even I have spoken, yes, and I have called him”. In the very next verse, we read, “Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: “I am the Lord your God, Who teaches you to profit, Who leads you by the way you should go”. As the Speaker of verse 16 here continues, it is clear that He is Yahweh, Who is Speaking, and not the Prophet Isaiah. This same Speaker also says, “Listen, O coastlands, to Me, And take heed, you peoples from afar! The Lord has called Me from the womb” (49:1). In verse 5 He is called “His Servant”, which clearly can only refer to Jesus Christ. None of these things could have been said by the Prophet Isaiah.
 

37818

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there are many examples in the OT, where we read, "The Angel (Messenger) of the Lord". Here are TWO Persons, 1, is "The Angel", and 2, is The Lord, Yahweh, Who He is "distinct" from. Jesus Christ is "The Angel (Messenger) of the Lord", and "The Lord" here is God the Father. Clearly TWO DISTINCT PERSONS, and it is The Father, and NOT Jesus Christ, that is Yahweh.
A well meaning interpertation. The LORD/Yahweh is only once in the text per John 1:18. The other two are just angels/messengers. As I understand John 1:18.
 

Yeshua1

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there are many examples in the OT, where we read, "The Angel (Messenger) of the Lord". Here are TWO Persons, 1, is "The Angel", and 2, is The Lord, Yahweh, Who He is "distinct" from. Jesus Christ is "The Angel (Messenger) of the Lord", and "The Lord" here is God the Father. Clearly TWO DISTINCT PERSONS, and it is The Father, and NOT Jesus Christ, that is Yahweh.
There is only one Yahweh, with 3 persons claiming to be Him...
 

Yeshua1

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Yes, the Angel of the Lord sometimes appears to be an angel, and yet in the same passage seems to switch to being God Himself. When the Angel of Lord is God, I believe He is the 2d Person of the Trinity.
THE Angel of the Lord in the OT ois always God appearing in that form!
 

Yeshua1

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well, if the Angel of the Lord, is also God, as you rightly say, then, there has to be another Person, Yahweh, as He is "of the Lord", which means that there are TWO Persons!
He will speak and say " I did this", but will also say that Yahweh did, so talking about Himself and another who is also God!
 

Mikey

Active Member
There is also the truth that we as finite creatures can not really understand the trinity, but can accept it as truth!

Sure but that has nothing to do with what i wrote. People can still be wrong about what the Trinity is.
 

37818

Well-Known Member
you are confused! Confused
Confused about what? You are one who thought I denied that God was a Trinity of Persons. When I had made an arguement that God had to be a Trinity of Persons. That there is no way He could not be a Trinity. The Trinity of Persons are essential to there being a God. To word this differently.
 
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