Yes, it is possible to reconcile all of the New Testament Scriptures

[steaver]

Part of this "practicing righteousness" is what
you purposely have FAILED to address ...
Yes Steaver, I have that revelation, while you are spiritually blind.
Just tell us why Paul warns the Roman believers 3 times in 8 verses
(Romans 6:16-23) that sin results in (eternal) death. WHY?
Yes, I have that revelation, while you are spiritually blind.
Just tell us why Paul warns the Roman believers 3 times in 8 verses
(Romans 6:16-23) that sin results in (eternal) death. WHY?

I certainly did address it. Paul declared practicing righteousness cannot justify a person u to eternal life. This you ignore.

You have failed to reconcile the scriptures. Your reconciling is saying you have personal revelation. This is what Joseph Smith claimed as he preached the same gospel you are preaching.

Paul says your are wrong. What else can I say? You say yes. Paul says no.

 

[Browner]

Paul declared practicing righteousness cannot justify a person u to eternal life.

Please speak specifically about this passage ...
Just tell us WHY Paul warns the Roman believers 3 times in 8 verses
(Romans 6:16-23) that sin results in (eternal) death. WHY?

 

[steaver]

So you highlight in bold "practice righteousness". So you think practicing righteousness, which is practicing works of the law, is what saves you? Regardless that Paul said " by works of the law shall no flesh be justified". And you say you are reconciling the scriptures???? How so?

Please speak specifically about this passage ...
Just tell us WHY Paul warns the Roman believers 3 times in 8 verses
(Romans 6:16-23) that sin results in (eternal) death. WHY?

I would hope you would agree that we must answer the "WHY ?" according to the context surrounding these few sentences which you are focused on. Agreed?

Paul introduces sins relationship to the Law as early as Chp 2 verses 12&13.

"For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified...)"

Well, there you have it, end of debate. Doers of the Law shall be justified, correct? Well, no, because we did not read the whole letter and did not keep in context exactly what Paul was leading into. We must read on...

"...For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another"

So what is the "work of the law"? Here Paul says it either accuses or excuses. Ok, if we stop here we can preach to everyone the law, and those who practice the law will be justified, and those who break the law will be accused, and therefore NOT justified. But of course Paul is not finished making his point...

"What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:...Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."

Wait a minute, Paul just said earlier doers of the law shall be justified. So what then? Paul explains...

"But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested...Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:...For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."

"Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith."

What is Paul's CONCLUSION?....."Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

There is so much more I could post but it would take pages!

So let's now answer your question concerning verses 6:16-23...

You seem to be hung up on verse 16 in particular. In light of the entire context both before and after this verse it is obvious verse 16 is simply a matter of fact that sin is unto death and the obedience unto righteousness is speaking of obedience unto Jesus Christ and not the Law. Is Paul flipping and declaring the law now justifies? Of course not...

You started this thread brother Browner with the title of reconciling the scriptures. So reconcile verse 16 with the other verses where Paul declares the law cannot justify.....I have. But you have not...yet.

 

[thatbrian]

The spiritual moron theologian refuses to explain. . .

Not sure if you've reconciled ALL of scripture. You've obviously overlooked this one: ". . .whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire." - Jesus

 

[Browner]

This thread is supposed to be about reconciling all of the NT
Scriptures re: salvation, eternal life, and the keeping of same.

 

[thatbrian]

This thread is supposed to be about reconciling all of the NT
Scriptures re: salvation, eternal life, and the keeping of same.

Yes. Yes. Forgive me for pointing out your hypocrisy and drifting off topic.

 

[steaver]

This thread is supposed to be about reconciling all of the NT
Scriptures re: salvation, eternal life, and the keeping of same.

So when are you going to reconcile your position of law keeping justifying unto salvation with Paul declaring no flesh shall be justified by law keeping?

 

[Browner]

So when are you going to reconcile your position of law keeping justifying unto salvation with Paul declaring no flesh shall be justified by law keeping?

Dost thou desireth that I list again many dozens of warning passages,
which were written to the churches, i.e. to you.
Your answer: No, I prefer to ignore them.

Meanwhile, back @ the ranch ...
Loving Jesus enough to obey His commandments,
which He has asked us to do, is NOT law-keeping!
Dah.
And someone has seconded that motion with another big Dah.

You Baptists in the today's Laodicean church are in a heap of trouble.
Are you ready to go through the great tribulation of the antichrist?
No pre-trib rapture ... guaranteed ... so get ready.
And while you're preparing ...
prepare to NOT take the mark of the beast.

Falling away from the faith during any of these trials (tests)
will cost you your salvation, i.e. OSAS is from the very pits of hell.

Yes, Jesus Himself will declare to you that you were warned!

 

[steaver]

Dost thou desireth that I list again many dozens of warning passages,
which were written to the churches, i.e. to you.
Your answer: No, I prefer to ignore them.

Meanwhile, back @ the ranch ...
Loving Jesus enough to obey His commandments,
which He has asked us to do, is NOT law-keeping!
Dah.
And someone has seconded that motion with another big Dah.

You Baptists in the today's Laodicean church are in a heap of trouble.
Are you ready to go through the great tribulation of the antichrist?
No pre-trib rapture ... guaranteed ... so get ready.
And while you're preparing ...
prepare to NOT take the mark of the beast.

Falling away from the faith during any of these trials (tests)
will cost you your salvation, i.e. OSAS is from the very pits of hell.

Yes, Jesus Himself will declare to you that you were warned!

That is a long way of saying you cannot reconcile Paul's declaration that no one shall be justified unto eternal life by practicing the law. So your thread remains in failure. But I love that you brought this subject up, it is my favorite subject. It is so easy to knock down any argument against the sufficiency of Jesus Christ alone to save, i.e. OSAS.

 

[steaver]

Loving Jesus enough to obey His commandments,
which He has asked us to do, is NOT law-keeping!
Dah.

Correct! Loving Jesus is obeying His commands, which is the fruit of a true believer, even as we fall so miserably short at many times. However the keeping of commandments has ZERO to do with justification unto eternal life, which is what you fail to understand. This is what confuses those who cannot reconcile the NT scriptures properly between practicing righteousness and practicing faith in Jesus Christ. The former cannot justify unto eternal life, ONLY the latter DOES! Thus, failure to practice righteousness as required by the law, which is perfection, CANNOT disannul one's justification by faith alone in Jesus Christ. Simple, Christ made it easy to understand.

 

[thatbrian]

A serious observation: The folks that are working their way to Heaven seem very unstable, unreasonable, and warped in their thinking. I wonder which came first, the legalism or the mental instability. My theory is that legalism leads to a spiritual blindness and warped views.

In other words, you can't be self-righteous and fully sane. The greatest sin is pride, and it drove Nebuchadnezzar crazy. Think about it. . .

 

[Browner]

Dost all of you desire to see the many NT Scriptures again,
which warn that NO unrepenting sinner will go to heaven?

Note: to repent of something means to stop doing it.
God will not prevent a believer from continuing in his/her sin.
It is his/her free-will choice.

 

[steaver]

Dost all of you desire to see the many NT Scriptures again,
which warn that NO unrepenting sinner will go to heaven?

Note: to repent of something means to stop doing it.
God will not prevent a believer from continuing in his/her sin.
It is his/her free-will choice.

Lol. I believe we all desire to see you do the reconciling that you claim you have done! Show us how YOUR practicing the law justifies unto eternal life when Paul declares practicing the law will justify NO person unto eternal life! We all still waiting...........

 

[Browner]

Lol. I believe we all desire to see you do the reconciling that you claim you have done! Show us how YOUR practicing the law justifies unto eternal life when Paul declares practicing the law will justify NO person unto eternal life! We all still waiting...........

'Tis an extremely simple matter of posting an old thread of mine.
Already did, butski no one's interested ...
https://www.baptistboard.com/threads/co-operate-with-jesus-and-the-spirit’s-“ministry-of-righteousness”.97748/

Qvestion:
Since you people have been so disastrously wrong about
the baptism with the Holy Spirit and the 9 spiritual power gifts,
what makest thou so sure that you are not wrong about the
necessity to practice your (originally imputed) righteousness
to be righteous in God's eyes?

Historical recipe for disaster (after the original apostles died off):
Satan deceived many greedy and uncalled church leaders*
>>>> the historically powerless church
* many were never called by God to be His leaders

 

[steaver]

what makest thou so sure that you are not wrong about the
necessity to practice your (originally imputed) righteousness
to be righteous in God's eyes?

This is what makes me so sure...straight from the mouth of the Holy Ghost...

"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (Ro3:20)

"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." (Gal2:16)

Go ahead and make your argument with God.....we await.....

 

[Browner]

"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (Ro3:20)

How many times do I have to explain these things to you?

-- Co-operating with, obeying, etc. God/Jesus
is not the same as doing good works/deeds.

-- You make absolutely no attempt to reconcile the NT Scriptures
because you cannot face the dire warnings verses, which stand
in direct opposition to the easy grace, OSAS, etc. doctrine.

Reconcile the supposedly 2 opposing sets of NT verses!
I have.

 

[steaver]

-- Co-operating with, obeying, etc. God/Jesus
is not the same as doing good works/deeds.

Now wait a minute. Maybe I misunderstand you then. Your saying Co-operating with, obeying, etc, is NOT practicing the law/righteousness?? If it's not the same, then explain what doing a good work or good deed is in your pov. And explain what "practicing the law/righteousness" is.

 

[Browner]

A half-hour ago, I got the clarification ...
-- doing good works/deeds is ministering to man
-- co-operating with the indwelling Spirit is ministering to God

This co-operation is required for salvation,
which stands opposed to OSAS.

Guess what? ...
The believer is responsible before God!
He has free will ... and he is not a robot.
WOW.

 

[steaver]

A half-hour ago, I got the clarification ...
-- doing good works/deeds is ministering to man
-- co-operating with the indwelling Spirit is ministering to God

This co-operation is required for salvation,
which stands opposed to OSAS.

Guess what? ...
The believer is responsible before God!
He has free will ... and he is not a robot.
WOW.

Ok, you will have to define "ministering to God". Give examples. Life application.

 

[Browner]

Ok, you will have to define "ministering to God". Give examples. Life application.

Thou ministers to God when thouest blesses Him.
A nice place to start is to obey His commandments.
This blesses God.

Please check out the Scriptures which are mind-blowing:
DISOBEDIENCE proves UNBELIEF.
But, I'm stuggling with the qvestion: Is unbelief very important?
Please advise.