Yet Another Racist Post (LOL) by Me?!

[righteousdude2]

I think this link to Steve Taylor's (an SBC-PK who was a big Christian rock artist in the 80s) performance, of W don't need no colour code" should sum up all the frustration going on within the forums of this board.

Yes, I know it is a song and there will be MANY will write and complain and insist this be moved to the Music Forum, but I am beseeching the moderators to leave this one song in this forum, as I believe it may hit the heart of the larger problem being discussed, debated and fought throughout many forums for for the past months!

May the Holy Spirit lead you who have opened this post, to listen with an open heart and spirit to the song, especially the lyrics (which are posted below), as it's the words that are really positive and convicting when it comes to racism within the church and nation and throughout this world!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRKPFABJXLY

If you hate rock music, then at least check out the lyrics! I think this ia song that needs to be replayed in the country!

Down in Carolina Way
Lived a man name o' Big BJ
BJ went and got a school
Founded on Caucasian rule
Bumper sticker on his Ford
Says, 'Honkies if you love the Lord'
We don't need no color code
We don't need no color code
Take your rules and hit the road
We don't need no color code
Judgment Day is goin' down
Better burn your cap and gown
White man speak with forked tongue
White supremist eat their young
Bigotry is on the loose
Ignorance is no excuse
I know Jesus loves that man
Even with a Greenville tan
We don't need no color code
We don't need no color code
Take your rules and hit the road
We don't need no color code
Judgment Day is goin' down
Better burn your cap and gown
Marching to Pretoria
Marching to Pretoria
Color codes in churches, huh?
Color codes in churches, huh?
Following a fascist creed
Following a what?
Whose translation do you read?
True believers won't be snowed
True believers won't be snowed
We don't need no color code
We don't need no color code
We don't need no color code
We don't need no color code
Take your rules and hit the road
We don't need no color code
Judgment Day is goin' down
We don't need no color code
We don't need no color code
Take your rules and hit the road
We don't need no color code
We ain't playin' dead this time
This is where we draw the line

Songwriters: TAYLOR, STEVE

We Don't Need No Colour Code lyrics © Universal Music Publishing Group

 

[Darrell C]

Reminiscent of J.Geils Band, not Rock, and not a positive message.

It is simply accusatory, which is the primary problem seen on this forum in the last month.

Post D.C. Talk's "What have we become?" or "Colored People" for a positive message.


God bless.

 

[righteousdude2]

Reminiscent of J.Geils Band, not Rock, and not a positive message.

It is simply accusatory, which is the primary problem seen on this forum in the last month.

Post D.C. Talk's "What have we become?" or "Colored People" for a positive message.


God bless.

I accept your view ... may not agree with it, but I can see how you may think this is pointing a finger at some of us in the church. Shalom.

 

[Darrell C]

I accept your view ... may not agree with it, but I can see how you may think this is pointing a finger at some of us in the church. Shalom.

The Church as well, but the target is specifically white, unlike the D.C. Talk songs where everyone is included in the problem (though I might retract "What have we become" lol).

Racism is a sin issue, not a race issue, unless it is the human race we are speaking about.

I was surprised, when I took on an Hispanic fellow in my business, and had opportunity to "enter" into that world which actually involves a fair amount of illegals. I had never really thought about it before, because racism is something I decided even as an unregenerate child...was something I would not engage in. But not only is there Hispanic/black and Hispanic/white racism...there is Hispanic/Hispanic racism as well. Depends on what part of the "South" one is from, lol.

And you know what is at the heart of much of the hatred?

Soccer.

It's true.

Here are the lyrics to Colored People:


Pardon me, your epidermis is showing, sir
I couldn't help but note your shade of melanin
I tip my hat to the colorful arrangement
'Cause I see the beauty in the tones of our skin


We've gotta come together
And thank the Maker of us all


We're colored people, and we live in a tainted place
We're colored people, and they call us the human race
We've got a history so full of mistakes
'Cause we are colored people who depend on a Holy Grace


A piece of canvas is only the beginning for
It takes on character with every loving stroke
This thing of beauty is the passion of an Artist's heart
By God's design, we are a skin kaleidoscope


We've gotta come together
Aren't we all human after all?


We're colored people, and we live in a tainted place
We're colored people, and they call us the human race
We've got a history so full of mistakes
'Cause we are colored people who depend on a holy grace


Well, just a day in the shoes of a color blind man
Should make it easy for you to see
That these diverse tones do more than cover our bones
As a part of our anatomy


We're colored people, and we live in a tainted place
We're colored people, and they call us the human race
We've got a history so full of mistakes
'Cause we are colored people who depend on a holy grace


Read more: DC Talk - Colored People Lyrics | MetroLyrics


Great song, great message.

And, by the way...great thread.

I would challenge anyone to post song lyrics that present a positive message about the evils of racism, particularly in the Church. "Casting Crowns" is a band I enjoy because there is usually a good, "toe-stepping" message in the song. While their "Does anybody hear her" is not a racially based message, it does point out something many do not consider, which is the fact that prejudice is not exclusive to race.

Judgment is often usurped, and the consequences have led to much sorrow in...the Human Race.


God bless.

 

[John of Japan]

I think this link to Steve Taylor's (an SBC-PK who was a big Christian rock artist in the 80s) performance, of W don't need no colour code" should sum up all the frustration going on within the forums of this board.

Yes, I know it is a song and there will be MANY will write and complain and insist this be moved to the Music Forum, but I am beseeching the moderators to leave this one song in this forum, as I believe it may hit the heart of the larger problem being discussed, debated and fought throughout many forums for for the past months!

May the Holy Spirit lead you who have opened this post, to listen with an open heart and spirit to the song, especially the lyrics (which are posted below), as it's the words that are really positive and convicting when it comes to racism within the church and nation and throughout this world!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRKPFABJXLY

If you hate rock music, then at least check out the lyrics! I think this ia song that needs to be replayed in the country!

.... (song clipped)

Songwriters: TAYLOR, STEVE

We Don't Need No Colour Code lyrics © Universal Music Publishing Group

The song is defamatory towards BJU. There were black students at BJU down through the years. What BJU objected to and had a rule against was not black people per se but mixed marriages.

Back in the day that was a very common view among Christians of all kinds, including black Christians, as well as Asians and Hispanics. BJU's failure was in not seeing the changing of the times.

 

[Darrell C]

The song is defamatory towards BJU. There were black students at BJU down through the years. What BJU objected to and had a rule against was not black people per se but mixed marriages.

Back in the day that was a very common view among Christians of all kinds, including black Christians, as well as Asians and Hispanics. BJU's failure was in not seeing the changing of the times.

Thanks for the context, that makes sense of the song, though without that context it comes across accusatory.


God bless.

 

[John of Japan]

Thanks for the context, that makes sense of the song, though without that context it comes across accusatory.


God bless.

Bashing BJU is a full time sport for some. :smilewinkgrin:

I went there from '70 to '72. I may still have my yearbooks to see how many black folk were there. But the truth is, in those days few white Christian colleges had many black folk. My Granddad did pay the tuition for a black African man at Moody back in the day, though.

 

[Salty]

The song is defamatory towards BJU. There were black students at BJU down through the years. What BJU objected to and had a rule against was not black people per se but mixed marriages.

Back in the day that was a very common view among Christians of all kinds, including black Christians, as well as Asians and Hispanics. BJU's failure was in not seeing the changing of the times.

John
I had heard one main reason that BJU enforced no mixed marriage/dating was because many Oriental parents did not want their children dating/marrying other races.
Do you have the 4-1-1 on that?

 

[John of Japan]

John
I had heard one main reason that BJU enforced no mixed marriage/dating was because many Oriental parents did not want their children dating/marrying other races.
Do you have the 4-1-1 on that?

That's one I hadn't heard. I kind of doubt it, though, since the rule probably went back to the founding of the school in 1927, and I doubt that many Asians were coming over here for college then.

Wikipedia says BJU excluded black students until '71: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Jones_University_v._United_States. That I don't remember.

 

[Darrell C]

Bashing BJU is a full time sport for some. :smilewinkgrin:

I went there from '70 to '72. I may still have my yearbooks to see how many black folk were there. But the truth is, in those days few white Christian colleges had many black folk. My Granddad did pay the tuition for a black African man at Moody back in the day, though.

I was, as the song puts it "...sittin' on my daddy's knee" (since the thread is musical, lol) at that time, but never really had to experience the trouble of "the man getting' me," as some did back then.

That came later, when I grew up a little, my hair grew long, and I began playing Heavy Metal. All I can say is there are some states where you want to have a clean cut haircut. I forgot to "tuck my hair up under my cap."

So was inter-racial marriage the only issue there, or was there prevalent racism?


God bless.

 

[John of Japan]

I was, as the song puts it "...sittin' on my daddy's knee" (since the thread is musical, lol) at that time, but never really had to experience the trouble of "the man getting' me," as some did back then.

That came later, when I grew up a little, my hair grew long, and I began playing Heavy Metal. All I can say is there are some states where you want to have a clean cut haircut. I forgot to "tuck my hair up under my cap."

I grew up in a pretty straight-laced Baptist family, but my hair got a little shaggy.... :smilewinkgrin:

So was inter-racial marriage the only issue there, or was there prevalent racism?


God bless.

You know, I don't remember a bit of racism there in the sermons in chapel or Sunday church (had to attend on campus) or in classes. I think I would have noticed, too, coming right from an integrated high school in Racine,WI. The school was all about evangelism, right doctrine and the correct form of fundamentalism. Social issues were largely ignored.

 

[Darrell C]

I grew up in a pretty straight-laced Baptist family, but my hair got a little shaggy.... :smilewinkgrin:


You know, I don't remember a bit of racism there in the sermons in chapel or Sunday church (had to attend on campus) or in classes. I think I would have noticed, too, coming right from an integrated high school in Racine,WI. The school was all about evangelism, right doctrine and the correct form of fundamentalism. Social issues were largely ignored.

Oh for a world like that...lol.

Although there is a need to deal with certain social issues, though we should hope we are on the right side of the issue when we do get involved.


God bless.

 

[John of Japan]

Oh for a world like that...lol.

Although there is a need to deal with certain social issues, though we should hope we are on the right side of the issue when we do get involved.


God bless.

The more we win souls to Christ, the more we change society. The cure for racism is not just demonstrations, books, marches on Washington. The cure for racism is winning folks of all races to Christ. What America needs is another Great Awakening.

The more good Christians there are, the harder it will be to be a racist. The slave trade in the 19th century was halted mainly by evangelicals: David Livingston in Africa, Wilberforce in England, Nathan Brown and others in America.

 

[Darrell C]

The more we win souls to Christ, the more we change society. The cure for racism is not just demonstrations, books, marches on Washington. The cure for racism is winning folks of all races to Christ. What America needs is another Great Awakening.

The more good Christians there are, the harder it will be to be a racist. The slave trade in the 19th century was halted mainly by evangelicals: David Livingston in Africa, Wilberforce in England, Nathan Brown and others in America.

I agree wholeheartedly. I have tried to make this point in the Political section and it was in large part rejected. I made the suggestion that racially contentious threads be secluded to it's own forum, such as is done with the calv/arm dispute, because I see the contention that is bantered around there counter-productive to growth.

Yet when I ask the question "Are White Supremacy Threads Acceptable," people were up in arms about that. It's a double standard and one that is unhealthy in my view. It seems to show that some people have no intention of actually addressing the issue of racial contention which has it's advocates on both sides, which has no place in the heart of a born again believer.

We are either part of the solution, or part of the problem. And suggesting that a more doctrinal focus to take some people's attention on the anger they may harbor was ridiculed.

God bless.

 

[John of Japan]

I agree wholeheartedly. I have tried to make this point in the Political section and it was in large part rejected. I made the suggestion that racially contentious threads be secluded to it's own forum, such as is done with the calv/arm dispute, because I see the contention that is bantered around there counter-productive to growth.

Yet when I ask the question "Are White Supremacy Threads Acceptable," people were up in arms about that. It's a double standard and one that is unhealthy in my view. It seems to show that some people have no intention of actually addressing the issue of racial contention which has it's advocates on both sides, which has no place in the heart of a born again believer.

We are either part of the solution, or part of the problem. And suggesting that a more doctrinal focus to take some people's attention on the anger they may harbor was ridiculed.

God bless.

Your point deserved to be made.

 

[OnlyaSinner]

John
I had heard one main reason that BJU enforced no mixed marriage/dating was because many Oriental parents did not want their children dating/marrying other races.
Do you have the 4-1-1 on that?

In "Standing Without Apology", a BJU history by Daniel Turner (of the BJ fine arts faculty), the rule is said to date from an early 1950s incident in which the parents of an Oriental student threatened to sue the university because their child (son, IIRC) was getting engaged to a Caucasian.

At least I think this was where I read it. Another possibility is BJ Jr's "Cornbread and Caviar."

 

[Darrell C]

In "Standing Without Apology", a BJU history by Daniel Turner (of the BJ fine arts faculty), the rule is said to date from an early 1950s incident in which the parents of an Oriental student threatened to sue the university because their child (son, IIRC) was getting engaged to a Caucasian.

At least I think this was where I read it. Another possibility is BJ Jr's "Cornbread and Caviar."

I can see where that might lead to a rule which prevents liability.

Kind of like on a frozen pizza: don't eat pizza frozen.

Or, remove cardboard before heating.

If that is the case, then it seems to vindicate the school.


God bless.

 

[OnlyaSinner]

I can see where that might lead to a rule which prevents liability.

Kind of like on a frozen pizza: don't eat pizza frozen.

Or, remove cardboard before heating.

If that is the case, then it seems to vindicate the school.


God bless.

Only they should have ditched the rule long before 2000.

Disclosure: I have huge respect for BJU. My daughter and son-in-law are both alumni, as is my pastor, his son and his younger daughter. When I'd consider that policy prior to its demise, I had to recall a statement made in some other context, "Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without."
YMMV

 

[Darrell C]

Only they should have ditched the rule long before 2000.

Disclosure: I have huge respect for BJU. My daughter and son-in-law are both alumni, as is my pastor, his son and his younger daughter. When I'd consider that policy prior to its demise, I had to recall a statement made in some other context, "Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without."
YMMV

Were you aware of the rule when you sent your children there?

And a side note: you guys have a cold winter? More than usual?


God bless.

 

[Jerome]

it seems to vindicate the school

Huh?

How so?

Of what?