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You cannot trust the NIV!

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Chemnitz

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xdisciplex said:
No no!

I am not a KJVO. This is the usual argument. This is not about the KJV it's about the NIV being a manipulated bible where everything is changed and watered down. This is the real issue! Even if the KJV wasn't perfect it wouldn't change anything. The NIV would still be a corrupted bible. You cannot deny all these changes, you simply cannot deny them.

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?currSection=&sermonID=82603122659

Listen to this sermon, it's totally clear.
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Before you can claim that the NIV changed the text you are going to need to actually learn textual criticism. You are going to need to learn hebrew, aramaic, and greek. You are going to need to spend more time studying english grammar. You are also going to need to stop listening to the likes of Pr Ocstain, Riplinger, Ruckman, and Chick.

As I said earlier it is just as likely the so called Majority texts were corrupted by people adding in things they thought should be there.
 
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JFox1

New Member
Chemnitz said:
Don't know who you directed this towards but I trust the Biblia Hebrecai, Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament 27th edition, but I only recommend those if you can read Greek and Hebrew. I also trust the NKJV, KJV, NIV, ESV, NASB, An American Translation, God's Word to the Nations. I don't trust the Message, what I have seen used in books makes me cringe. I don't know enough about Living Water to comment.
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I was directing the question towards xdisciplex. I like your selection of Bible translations, Chemnitz. I also use a variety of translations, 35 in all. My favorites are the Modern Language Bible, ASV of 1901, Ronald Knox translation, ESV, and I love my Thompson Chain Reference Bible and Nelson Study Bible, both in the NKJV. :godisgood: :thumbs:
 
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Ed Edwards

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Interesting read Sister Annsni. It makes a lot more sense
than what the Bible Bashers are putting out - like you can
check it out even.

Appendix 2 defuses Ms Riplenger's NEW AGE VERSIONS:

http://www.ibs.org/niv/accuracy/NIV_AccuracyDefined.pdf

[ It seems to be Riplinger's view that ] anyone who
opposes [ her ] unique view of the world and theology
is, in fact, a New Ager in sSheep's clothing.

I have a note card from 11 April 1993 which contains my
pastors sermon outline for : Seven New Agisms
(he taught from an NIV):

1. All is one
2. All is divine
3. You are diving
4. Reincranation
5. Create your own reality
6. All is reality
7. There is a new age coming

None of these concepts are more teachable from the NIV
than from the KJV1769 Edition. In fact, the King
James Version Only (KJVO) movement smacks of point #5;
it sure isn't based on Holy Scripture.
So I'll say it though I might get kicked off the board:
The KJVO Movement is part of the New Age Movement.

You can trust the NIV to be Valid Scripture:
Gods inerrant & perfect Written Word.
 
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Amy.G

New Member
Ed Edwards said:
Interesting read Sister Annsni. It makes a lot more sense
than what the Bible Bashers are putting out - like you can
check it out even.

Appendix 2 defuses Ms Riplenger's NEW AGE VERSIONS:

http://www.ibs.org/niv/accuracy/NIV_AccuracyDefined.pdf

[ It seems to be Riplinger's view that ] anyone who
opposes [ her ] unique view of the world and theology
is, in fact, a New Ager in sSheep's clothing.

I have a note card from 11 April 1993 which contains my
pastors sermon outline for : Seven New Agisms
(he taught from an NIV):

1. All is one
2. All is divine
3. You are diving
4. Reincranation
5. Create your own reality
6. All is reality
7. There is a new age coming

None of these concepts are more teachable from the NIV
than from the KJV1769 Edition. In fact, the King
James Version Only (KJVO) movement smacks of point #5;
it sure isn't based on Holy Scripture.
So I'll say it though I might get kicked off the board:
The KJVO Movement is part of the New Age Movement.

You can trust the NIV to be Valid Scripture:
Gods inerrant & perfect Written Word.
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Ed, I don't understand #3 :confused:
 
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ex-nihilo

New Member
Kjvo

So I'll say it though I might get kicked off the board:
The KJVO Movement is part of the New Age Movement.
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Ed,

Just what exactly is the evidence for your charge. And for the record, I'm not KJVO, but there is no way I would agree with your statement above.

J.
 
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Ed Edwards

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ex-nihilo said:
Ed,

Just what exactly is the evidence for your charge. And for the record, I'm not KJVO, but there is no way I would agree with your statement above.

J.
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IMHO i answered your question about my statement
before I made the statement. Here is what I said repeated.

I have a note card from 11 April 1993 which contains my
pastors sermon outline for : Seven New Agisms
(he taught from an NIV):

1-4 ...
5. Create your own reality
6, 7 ...

None of these concepts are more teachable from the NIV
than from the KJV1769 Edition. In fact, the King
James Version Only (KJVO) movement smacks of point #5;
it sure isn't based on Holy Scripture.
So I'll say it though I might get kicked off the board:
The KJVO Movement is part of the New Age Movement.

You can trust the NIV to be Valid Scripture:
Gods inerrant & perfect Written Word.
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ex-nihilo

New Member
Kjvo

Ed Edwards said:
IMHO i answered your question about my statement
before I made the statement. Here is what I said repeated.
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I checked the link out and I'm still looking for evidence in the KJVO crowd is part of the New Age Movement.

The link you listed does provide those with interest in the different Bible version controversies some good information in the reasoning behind the decisions on why certain passages were translated the way they were.

J.
 
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xdisciplex

New Member
Do you know that Jehova's witnesses are happy because the NIV leaves out the same verses which their "bible" leaves out? This even makes them feel safe. They can come up and say that their "bible" leaves out the same verses as the NIV.
Isn't this interesting?

Oh, and by the way. Who is the morning star? Can anybody answer this question? :wavey:
 
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annsni

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
xdisciplex said:
Do you know that Jehova's witnesses are happy because the NIV leaves out the same verses which their "bible" leaves out? This even makes them feel safe. They can come up and say that their "bible" leaves out the same verses as the NIV.
Isn't this interesting?

Oh, and by the way. Who is the morning star? Can anybody answer this question? :wavey:
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The "morning star" reference is ridiculous since in the original languages, both words mean "morning star" - talk to God if you have an issue with that. Even the translators of the KJV1611 put in the margin "or O day starre" Here's a link with more info:

http://www.kjv-only.com/isa14_12.html
 
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annsni

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
xdisciplex said:
Do you know that Jehova's witnesses are happy because the NIV leaves out the same verses which their "bible" leaves out? This even makes them feel safe. They can come up and say that their "bible" leaves out the same verses as the NIV.
Isn't this interesting?

Oh, and by the way. Who is the morning star? Can anybody answer this question? :wavey:
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As far as I know, the JW will fully accept the KJV also - maybe that's something to think about!
 
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rbell

Active Member
xdisciplex said:
Do you know that Jehova's witnesses are happy because the NIV leaves out the same verses which their "bible" leaves out? This even makes them feel safe. They can come up and say that their "bible" leaves out the same verses as the NIV.
Isn't this interesting?

Oh, and by the way. Who is the morning star? Can anybody answer this question? :wavey:
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What a silly assertion.

I've noticed, xdx, as your KJVO fervor has gotten greater, your documentation has gotten weaker.

I smell a correlation...
 
StefanM

StefanM

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
xdisciplex said:
But this is confusing. Why does the bible call both Satan and Jesus the same name? :(
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1) The concept that "Lucifer" is Satan is not strictly proven through the text. It is an interpretation. Why call this individual "morning star"? IMO, it's sarcasm.

E.g. (loosely) "OH YOU GREAT AND MIGHTY MORNING STAR, LOOK HOW FAR YOU'VE FALLEN NOW!"

2) When used of Jesus, it is intended positively.
 
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