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Your Choice of Environmentally Friendly Meat Substitute

My Preferred Meat Substitute:

  • Protein from peas

    Votes: 2 33.3%
  • Modified soy

    Votes: 2 33.3%
  • Wheat gluten mixed with a little organic tofu

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Forget it, I'll just go Vegan!

    Votes: 2 33.3%

  • Total voters
    6

Benjamin

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Apparently, the scientists now agree that not only does it makes sense to develop alternatives to beef in order to save the planet but we have little other choice. Leading the way for this substitution is protein from peas and modified soy products, maybe closely followed by some wheat gluten mixed with a little organic tofu concoction. That said, I‘m curious as to what you would prefer your new alternative meat source be made out of?

"As concerns mount over the dangers of a rapidly warming planet, upstart food companies are targeting a major climate-damaging food: beef.

Beyond Meat and its privately held rival Impossible Foods have recently grabbed headlines and fast-food deals for their plant-based burgers that imitate the taste of beef.


They’ve also turned the environmental benefits of abstaining from meat into a key marketing tool for their products — drawing some skepticism from environmental researchers who say plant diets are healthier and less carbon emitting than producing processed plant-based products.

Animal agriculture is responsible for 14.5% of global greenhouse emissions, according to the United Nations’ Food and Agriculture Organization, with 65% of those emissions coming from beef and dairy cattle. Scientists warn that climate change will trigger an international food crisis unless humans change the way they produce meat and use land.

While companies producing imitation meat boast of the environmental benefits, some researchers point out that for people wanting to substantially lower their carbon footprint, having unprocessed plant-based diets instead of eating imitation products is healthier and better for the planet.

Beyond and Impossible use different sources of proteins to create their meatless meats. Beyond primarily works with protein from peas, while Impossible uses genetically modified soy."

>>>

"In fact, a recent landmark report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a group of UN scientists, said that shifting towards plant-based diets would be a critical way to mitigate and adapt to climate change, as simply cutting carbon emissions from automobiles and factories won’t be enough to avert an impending crisis.

“On the consumption side, with people in developed countries wanting more cheap meat, and now in developing countries people wanting cheaper meat — it’s pushing the planet in the wrong direction,” said Hans-Otto Portner, a climatologist who co-chairs the IPCC’s working group on impacts, adaptation and vulnerability.

“It’s not sustainable. It’s a warning signal. If the world wants to keep to the UN’s sustainable development goals by 2030, there is something wrong here, there is a mismatch.”

Millennials driving shift away from meat

Beyond Meat uses climate change to market fake meat substitutes. Scientists are cautious
 

Benjamin

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Really, I'm starting to wonder if turning away from meat isn't a rapidly growing trend. We hear about AOC wanting to take away our cows which seems like a joke but if you look around it does make you wonder if this will gain steam. Lately I've witnessed several friends and some family converting to plant based diets. Conservative friends! One of them invited me to go to this with them on the same day I was reading the article above:


Me, I need my chicken, fish and occasional lean red meat. I can put up a few good arguments against entirely abstaining from meat but would have to admit that on average learning about and using more plant based foods would dramatically improve most people's diets including my own.
 

Revmitchell

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The process the so called "meat" goes through to make it taste like meat makes it completely unhealthy. You are better off eating actual meat.
 

kyredneck

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"Kamala Harris: I think that the point that you’re raising in a broader context is that a nation we absolutely have to have a real priority at the highest level of government around what we eat and in terms of healthy eating because we have a problem in America… The answer is yes. Let me say the balance that we have to strike here frankly is what government can and should do about creating incentives and then banning certain behaviors. Just to be very honest with you, I love cheeseburgers from time to time, I just do and there has to be also what we do in terms of creating incentives that we’ll eat in a healthy way and that we will encourage moderation and that we will be educated about the effect of our eating habits on our environment."

"So now Democrats want to ruin the coal industry, the oil and gas industry, and now the beef industry.

But remember it’s for your own good!"

Here We Go... Democrat Kamala Harris Wants Government "Incentives" to Push Americans to Eat Less Red Meat (VIDEO)
 

Revmitchell

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"Kamala Harris: I think that the point that you’re raising in a broader context is that a nation we absolutely have to have a real priority at the highest level of government around what we eat and in terms of healthy eating because we have a problem in America… The answer is yes. Let me say the balance that we have to strike here frankly is what government can and should do about creating incentives and then banning certain behaviors. Just to be very honest with you, I love cheeseburgers from time to time, I just do and there has to be also what we do in terms of creating incentives that we’ll eat in a healthy way and that we will encourage moderation and that we will be educated about the effect of our eating habits on our environment."

"So now Democrats want to ruin the coal industry, the oil and gas industry, and now the beef industry.

But remember it’s for your own good!"

Here We Go... Democrat Kamala Harris Wants Government "Incentives" to Push Americans to Eat Less Red Meat (VIDEO)

Fascism
 

rlvaughn

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"Kamala Harris: I think that the point that you’re raising in a broader context is that a nation we absolutely have to have a real priority at the highest level of government around what we eat and in terms of healthy eating because we have a problem in America… The answer is yes. Let me say the balance that we have to strike here frankly is what government can and should do about creating incentives and then banning certain behaviors. Just to be very honest with you, I love cheeseburgers from time to time, I just do and there has to be also what we do in terms of creating incentives that we’ll eat in a healthy way and that we will encourage moderation and that we will be educated about the effect of our eating habits on our environment."
These folks don't even try to hide it anymore, do they.
 

OnlyaSinner

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Most recent issue of Consumer Reports compared the new meatless burgers to the real thing and to a non-meat burger that's been available for years. They taste tested and had a lab analyze 4 products:
Beef (80% lean)
Veggie burger (can't recall brand) based on beans/grains/mushrooms, and imitating beef texture more than its flavor
Beyond Meat
Impossible Burger

All 4 had relatively similar calorie and fat counts (Veggie the lowest)
Beef had the most saturated fat but not by all that much compared to Beyond/Impossible
Only beef had cholesterol.
The imitations had 5 to 8 times as much sodium.
Number of ingredients: Beef - 1; Veggie - 7 (IIRC); Beyond - 17; Impossible - 20.
Testers thought that the 2 "chemical laboratories" tasted very much like beef. They also liked the taste/texture of the veggie despite its non-beefy taste.
 

tyndale1946

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Bernie Sanders is coming for your meat

"...Not content with his proposals for how Americans are to live their lives, Bernie Sanders now suggests he's open to taxing meat as another means of virtue-signalling on global warming. …"

Acts 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

I use to be a heavy meat eater but after I lost my first wife I met another who changed my diet... She is a Vegetarian... You know my offer still stands Kentucky... You're all invited over to our house for Thanksgiving... We are having Turkey Roll!... There is no turkey in it... Brother Glen:D

Btw... I know the proper application of these scripture, I just wanted to rile Kentucky... :Sneaky
 
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kyredneck

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Btw... I know the proper application of these scripture, I just wanted to rile Kentucky... :Sneaky

Lol, actually I see it as also applicable to justify the eating of meat! :)

She is a Vegetarian..

Back when I was about 20 yo [correction 23-24 yo] I was a lacto-vegetarian for about 9-10 months (actually about 90% RAW fruits, veggies, sprouts, and nuts) which included some cooked legumes, cheese and bread. I got skinny, and folks that hadn't seen me for awhile would ask, "Have you been sick?" But, I felt good, had plenty of energy, worked hard construction labor without getting tired, and would wake up in the morning 'wide-eyed and bushy tailed'. One morning my young daughter didn't eat all the eggs I fixed her for breakfast, so, I finished them off, and them eggs tasted soooo good. And that was the end of my experiment with vegetarianism.

The takeaway for me was that yes, we can do quite well with sources of protein other than red meat. If I were to do it again I would definitely incorporate eggs into my diet. AND butter! Lots of butter. Lacto-ovo-vegetarian I think it's called.

You're all invited over to our house for Thanksgiving...

Brother Glen if I'm ever out California way I'm definitely gonna look you up!
 
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Reynolds

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Apparently, the scientists now agree that not only does it makes sense to develop alternatives to beef in order to save the planet but we have little other choice. Leading the way for this substitution is protein from peas and modified soy products, maybe closely followed by some wheat gluten mixed with a little organic tofu concoction. That said, I‘m curious as to what you would prefer your new alternative meat source be made out of?

"As concerns mount over the dangers of a rapidly warming planet, upstart food companies are targeting a major climate-damaging food: beef.

Beyond Meat and its privately held rival Impossible Foods have recently grabbed headlines and fast-food deals for their plant-based burgers that imitate the taste of beef.


They’ve also turned the environmental benefits of abstaining from meat into a key marketing tool for their products — drawing some skepticism from environmental researchers who say plant diets are healthier and less carbon emitting than producing processed plant-based products.

Animal agriculture is responsible for 14.5% of global greenhouse emissions, according to the United Nations’ Food and Agriculture Organization, with 65% of those emissions coming from beef and dairy cattle. Scientists warn that climate change will trigger an international food crisis unless humans change the way they produce meat and use land.

While companies producing imitation meat boast of the environmental benefits, some researchers point out that for people wanting to substantially lower their carbon footprint, having unprocessed plant-based diets instead of eating imitation products is healthier and better for the planet.

Beyond and Impossible use different sources of proteins to create their meatless meats. Beyond primarily works with protein from peas, while Impossible uses genetically modified soy."

>>>

"In fact, a recent landmark report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a group of UN scientists, said that shifting towards plant-based diets would be a critical way to mitigate and adapt to climate change, as simply cutting carbon emissions from automobiles and factories won’t be enough to avert an impending crisis.

“On the consumption side, with people in developed countries wanting more cheap meat, and now in developing countries people wanting cheaper meat — it’s pushing the planet in the wrong direction,” said Hans-Otto Portner, a climatologist who co-chairs the IPCC’s working group on impacts, adaptation and vulnerability.

“It’s not sustainable. It’s a warning signal. If the world wants to keep to the UN’s sustainable development goals by 2030, there is something wrong here, there is a mismatch.”

Millennials driving shift away from meat

Beyond Meat uses climate change to market fake meat substitutes. Scientists are cautious
Beef and Pork for me.
 

tyndale1946

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Lol, actually I see it as also applicable to justify the eating of meat! :)



Back when I was about 20 yo I was a lacto-vegetarian for about 9-10 months (actually about 90% RAW fruits, veggies, sprouts, and nuts) which included some cooked legumes, cheese and bread. I got skinny, and folks that hadn't seen me for awhile would ask, "Have you been sick?" But, I felt good, had plenty of energy, worked hard construction labor without getting tired, and would wake up in the morning 'wide-eyed and bushy tailed'. One morning my young daughter didn't eat all the eggs I fixed her for breakfast, so, I finished them off, and them eggs tasted soooo good. And that was the end of my experiment with vegetarianism.

The takeaway for me was that yes, we can do quite well with sources of protein other than red meat. If I were to do it again I would definitely incorporate eggs into my diet. AND butter! Lots of butter. Lacto-ovo-vegetarian I think it's called.



Brother Glen if I'm ever out California way I'm definitely gonna look you up!

Well my wife's niece's husband is Vegan, YEACH:Sick... She is Vegetarian, we love all those raw fruit, nuts and cooked veggies and plant based meats... She loves her corn on the cob smothered in butter... Don't mess with her diary... Those are FIGHTIN words... She says just because it came out of the chicken, doesn't mean I have to eat the chicken it came out of:eek:... Just went to the farmer market the other day and stocked up... Daw gone it Kentucky you went and made me hungry!... Now I have to go and feed my belly... You sure know how to torment a body!;)... Didn't buy it, did ya?:Whistling... Brother Glen:D
 

Benjamin

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"...Not content with his proposals for how Americans are to live their lives, Bernie Sanders now suggests he's open to taxing meat as another means of virtue-signalling on global warming. …"
And if they manage to sway enough people away from meat, for "health" reasons, to reach over 50% it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see a meat tax forthcoming.

Soylent Green...
I was thinking the same thing, they are already using bodies for compost.

...and them eggs tasted soooo good. And that was the end of my experiment with vegetarianism.
I often tell my patients it is a good thing to listen to their bodies for hints. In an extreme example, I had a young cancer patient who was taking a very long time to heal her wounds, seeing several doctors and taking all kinds of medications for this odd condition. After weeks of my training her she would get weaker in practically every area and THAT just doesn't add up! Finally, thinking one night that the signs were all there, I quizzed her about her diet and discovered she had basically eliminated every source of protein out of her diet, the BUILDING BLOCKS OF OUR BODIES! I reported it and besides from me she got a lecture from one of the doctors and even had to go to a psychologist. Afterward I said, her body was speaking to her so loud that even I could hear it.

The process the so called "meat" goes through to make it taste like meat makes it completely unhealthy. You are better off eating actual meat.

I constantly harp about additives in our foods. But, in case of not eating meat I argue about what isn't being added into their diet.

Here is my list:

There are some benefits, but if going strictly veggie just be sure to keep up on the natural nutrients you are likely to begin to miss:

Plant proteins carry incomplete protein, lack 1 or more essential amino acids.

B12 – for red blood cells, brain, found in almost no plant food

Creatine – muscles and brain, produced by liver but quickly decreased from plant diets

Carnosine – anti-oxidant for muscles and brain, plant eaters have significantly less

D3 – a crucially important vitamin, plant eaters must settle for D2, sunlight

DHA – brain function, conversion from plant food is inefficient

Heme Iron – iron absorbed much better from meat – plant eaters must eat plenty of non-heme iron or often become depleted.

Calcium… Zinc, …make sure you eat plenty of artificial supplements (Yummy!) to make up for the loss of essential natural nutrients.
 

Benjamin

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As for preferring meat substitutes out of soy products.
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I go to great lengths to eliminate soy out of everything I eat, which is NO EASY task! I HATE that stuff! I consider like eating candle wax with estrogen producing supplements. Probably a LIBERAL conspiracy to emasculate the population driven by those who see all real men as a toxic masculinity threat to the agenda of bettering society from feminizing it.
 
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