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Your Sins and the Judgement
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KenH
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Jeremiah 31:31-34 (ESV)
[31]"Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, [32] not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. [33] But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
[31]"Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, [32] not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. [33] But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
Wisdom Seeker
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The way I understand it, no born again believer will stand at the white throne judgement of God to be held accountable for any sin.
Jesus Christ paid for those sins in full at the cross. At the time of salvation, all sins are forgiven, and forgotten.
Am I wrong?
Jesus Christ paid for those sins in full at the cross. At the time of salvation, all sins are forgiven, and forgotten.
Am I wrong?
KenH
Well-Known Member
Faith's Check Book, Daily Entry
C. H. Spurgeon
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July 23
Absolutely No Remembrance
And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. (Hebrews 10:17)
According to this gracious covenant the Lord treats His people as if they had never sinned. Practically, He forgets all their trespasses. Sins of all kinds He treats as if they had never been, as if they were quite erased from His memory. O miracle of grace! God here doth that which in certain aspects is impossible to Him. His mercy worketh miracles which far transcend all other miracles.
Our God ignores our sin now that the sacrifice of Jesus has ratified the covenant. We may rejoice in Him without fear that He will be provoked to anger against us because of our iniquities. See! He puts us among the children; He accepts us as righteous; He takes delight in us as if we were perfectly holy. He even puts us into places of trust; makes us guardians of His honor, trustees of the crown jewels, stewards of the gospel. He counts us worthy and gives us a ministry; this is the highest and most special proof that He does not remember our sins. Even when we forgive an enemy, we are very slow to trust him; we judge it to be imprudent so to do. But the Lord forgets our sins and treats us as if we had never erred. O my soul, what a promise is this! Believe it and be happy.
C. H. Spurgeon
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July 23
Absolutely No Remembrance
And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. (Hebrews 10:17)
According to this gracious covenant the Lord treats His people as if they had never sinned. Practically, He forgets all their trespasses. Sins of all kinds He treats as if they had never been, as if they were quite erased from His memory. O miracle of grace! God here doth that which in certain aspects is impossible to Him. His mercy worketh miracles which far transcend all other miracles.
Our God ignores our sin now that the sacrifice of Jesus has ratified the covenant. We may rejoice in Him without fear that He will be provoked to anger against us because of our iniquities. See! He puts us among the children; He accepts us as righteous; He takes delight in us as if we were perfectly holy. He even puts us into places of trust; makes us guardians of His honor, trustees of the crown jewels, stewards of the gospel. He counts us worthy and gives us a ministry; this is the highest and most special proof that He does not remember our sins. Even when we forgive an enemy, we are very slow to trust him; we judge it to be imprudent so to do. But the Lord forgets our sins and treats us as if we had never erred. O my soul, what a promise is this! Believe it and be happy.
Sounds convincing fellows. But, I've always thought we were accountable for our sins (although forgiven). Example, a truely born again person committs sin regularly. Yes he is covered under the death and blood of Christ, yet he also is accountable for those sins in some type way. Isn't this correct???
About the Great White Judgement
It's my understanding the believer has nothing to do with the Great White Throne Judgement, because that's for non-believers. We will stand before the judgement of Jesus Christ.
(I sure miss Chris Temple and his writing)
Thanks
Ol Trapper
About the Great White Judgement
It's my understanding the believer has nothing to do with the Great White Throne Judgement, because that's for non-believers. We will stand before the judgement of Jesus Christ.
(I sure miss Chris Temple and his writing)
Thanks
Ol Trapper
RaptureReady
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I can't believe it, I agree with Dr. Bob. I believe that makes twice now. As Dr. Bob said, thank God that our sins are covered under the blood of Jesus Christ and when the Father looks at me, He sees Jesus.
Though we as born again Christians will not be judged for our sins, we will be judged for the fruit that we did not bear while here on earth. For that time when you and I could have shared the Gospel with that lost soul and we didn't. Some of us believe that what we are doing is pleasing in the sight of God, but we will see at the judgement whether it was wood, hay and stubble, or gold, silver, and precious stones.
1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
What is amazing about the above scripture is that even though we have no rewards we still shall be saved from the fire. Amen! Glory to God!
Though we as born again Christians will not be judged for our sins, we will be judged for the fruit that we did not bear while here on earth. For that time when you and I could have shared the Gospel with that lost soul and we didn't. Some of us believe that what we are doing is pleasing in the sight of God, but we will see at the judgement whether it was wood, hay and stubble, or gold, silver, and precious stones.
1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
What is amazing about the above scripture is that even though we have no rewards we still shall be saved from the fire. Amen! Glory to God!
How can you ignore Mat 25?
Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Rom 4:7...Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
What sins? I have never commited a sin in my life. If you don't believe that, just check the Lord's record of my sins. I don't know the account number offhand but, He assures me, it is blank. Someone seems to have spilled something red all over them and they are no longer legible.
What sins? I have never commited a sin in my life. If you don't believe that, just check the Lord's record of my sins. I don't know the account number offhand but, He assures me, it is blank. Someone seems to have spilled something red all over them and they are no longer legible.
I am saying there is NO RECORD of my sins. I have diplomatic immunity and can't be CHARGED with a sin. Of course, you and I know that I commit sin. You and I WERE sinners and NOW we aren't. Not because we no longer sin but because we have changed categories. Saved and sinner are mutually exclusive categories. It became too confusing to lost people for us to say that we weren't sinners (meaning we were saved), it also seemed to smack of self-righteous hypocracy to them and to some of our own who came to believe that we didn't/don't sin. So we changed the name to a "sinner" saved by grace
to let them know and to remind ourselves that we are no better, just better off.
Rom 3:7...why yet am I also judged as a sinner? 8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
Paul uses some rather harse language to describe people who accuse him of holding to a concept that says "Let us do evil, that good may come". I have never heard anyone even HINT that this idea of "we can sin because we can't be charged" is true (except from those who DON'T believe it SAY that we believe it). That is slanderous (and apparently damnable). In Romans 3 Paul makes it clear that everyone sins (me, too, I'm afraid) but, he also makes it clear that saved people have been given "the way of peace" and "the fear of God before their eyes". This makes me want to sin less not more.
NarrowWay, the parable is about how sheep and goats act differently there. The sheep are doing sheep things and the goats are doing goat things -- and only Christ can change you from a goat to a sheep. Thus, by looking at their actions, it is easy to tell who is who. But their actions did not make them who they are. Who they are determines their actions.
Christ was the one sacrifice for all sins for all time. We still suffer consequences, but will not suffer punishment (like getting fat from eating too much -- some consequences are simply there). Even the most vile sinner will not suffer because of his sins -- he will suffer because he rejected Christ's payment for his sins. In doing so, he not only kept on sinning, but he became totally immersed in his life of sin and rejection. There seems to be a sense of degrees of punishment in hell, and that may have to do with the degradation the person sinks into and the damage he does to others, knowing better all the time. In the same way there are rewards in heaven for those who run the race and seek after that life. But it is the rejection of Christ which sends people to hell, not sinning itself. The wages of sin are indeed death, however that wage got paid -- once for all.
Those who are born again do die on the Cross with Christ, and then are raised up with Him again. We do not 'feel' this in our bodies, but it is impossible to miss the fact that it has happened when it has. So, in that sense, we die for our sins, but it is in Christ.
The judgment that sends people to hell is that which comes from the rejection of God's incredible gift of Himself to us. And His incredible sacrifice so that the wages would, indeed, be fully paid.
Christ was the one sacrifice for all sins for all time. We still suffer consequences, but will not suffer punishment (like getting fat from eating too much -- some consequences are simply there). Even the most vile sinner will not suffer because of his sins -- he will suffer because he rejected Christ's payment for his sins. In doing so, he not only kept on sinning, but he became totally immersed in his life of sin and rejection. There seems to be a sense of degrees of punishment in hell, and that may have to do with the degradation the person sinks into and the damage he does to others, knowing better all the time. In the same way there are rewards in heaven for those who run the race and seek after that life. But it is the rejection of Christ which sends people to hell, not sinning itself. The wages of sin are indeed death, however that wage got paid -- once for all.
Those who are born again do die on the Cross with Christ, and then are raised up with Him again. We do not 'feel' this in our bodies, but it is impossible to miss the fact that it has happened when it has. So, in that sense, we die for our sins, but it is in Christ.
The judgment that sends people to hell is that which comes from the rejection of God's incredible gift of Himself to us. And His incredible sacrifice so that the wages would, indeed, be fully paid.
Bartholomew
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This was written to Christians:
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;" (2 Cor 5:10, 11a)
This is the judgement of Christ when he returns. What will the possibilities be?
"And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." (Luke 12:42-48)
Notice the same servant (unbvelievers are not servants) will either be punished or rewarded at the judgement seat according to his works (not his faith). He will either enter into the sabbath rest of the millennial kingdom to reign with Christ, or be cast out and punished with the unbelievers.
"Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief." (Hebrews 4:11)
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26-27)
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)
Salvation is solely by grace through faith. Entry into the kingdom is by works as well. There are many more verses that prove this, but I don't have time to post them now. I will also be away for a while, so won't be able to respond - sorry.
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;" (2 Cor 5:10, 11a)
This is the judgement of Christ when he returns. What will the possibilities be?
"And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." (Luke 12:42-48)
Notice the same servant (unbvelievers are not servants) will either be punished or rewarded at the judgement seat according to his works (not his faith). He will either enter into the sabbath rest of the millennial kingdom to reign with Christ, or be cast out and punished with the unbelievers.
"Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief." (Hebrews 4:11)
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26-27)
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)
Salvation is solely by grace through faith. Entry into the kingdom is by works as well. There are many more verses that prove this, but I don't have time to post them now. I will also be away for a while, so won't be able to respond - sorry.