None of them count. Only the God who never called them to serve in that capacity does, and He never, never crosses His own Word!!!:thumbsup::jesus:
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Your View On Women As Pastors
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None of them count. Only the God who never called them to serve in that capacity does, and He never, never crosses His own Word!!!:thumbsup::jesus:
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I don't believe in women pastors as it is an issue of authority within the church (there is scriptural order), however, there are many gifted women who can speak under the authority of the pastor. The ministry of Corrie Tenboom comes to mind.
Also, there is no limitation for evangelism.
Also, there is no limitation for evangelism.
Is that the same God who never calls unmarried men to serve in that capacity? Just curious.
God's call never violates His written word. To believe so makes the scriptures situational, according to our will, not God's. If these women truely beleived scriptures they wouldm't be preaching and pastoring churches. The fact they do proves they don't care as much for the bible as they claim.
When God changes His mind and decides to allow women pastors, I'll change my mind and support the idea of a woman pastor.
I hope you will do the same for pastors who are unmarried men.
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Thanks for the quote. I find this very interesting, actually. The difference here is that they are calling her a "Preacher", not a PASTOR, and that she was under the authority of her husband, a minister.
Can women preach? I think you just gave me more to think about...:smilewinkgrin:
There are two general schools of thought in that area.
The first school is that women preaching is forbidden by the "I do not permit a woman to teach" verse. This school presumes that preaching is a form of teaching, and that a woman may not therefore preach, because she is teaching. A variant of that school hold to the idea that women can preach if they are preaching to other women.
The second school is that the Great Commission (preach the gospel to all nations) is a call to all believers without regard to gender, age, caste, etc, and is therefore separate from the office of pastor. This school hold to the admonition against women as pastors being an admonition to a position, not to a calling. A woman can preach, teach, share the Gospel, instruct, etc. But she may not be be a pastor.
There's no prohibition against unmarried men being pastors.
The prohibition against women is the scriptural application of "husband of one wife". An unmarried man is not a husband of any wife, and is therefore disqualified to be a pastor.
Actually, it isn't. The verse you're referring to just means that the pastoral candidate can't be a polygamist.
The Biblical prohibition against women as pastors is based on gender roles and God's plan for men and women within the church, not a verse that states that a pastoral candidate must not be a polygamist.
Sorry, not in the Bible.
I agree completely with you. But a lot of people reference the "husband of one wife" verse as a prohibition against women as pastors, on the notion that a woman isn't the husband of one wife. Yet they completely ignore the fact that an unmarried male likewise isn't the husband of one wife. Hence, if scripture limits the role of pastor to males only, it must come from a passage other than this one.
Then, using your logic, if a person believes an unmarried man can be a pastor, that person is not saved.
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Really? That's funny because you just said something completely different.
No, actually, that isn't "my logic" at all. In fact, if you had bothered to ask me what I think, rather than telling me what I think, you would have known that, although I disagree very strongly with the idea of women pastors, it isn't a salvation issue at all or an issue the Bible defines as essential and that, as long as they held to orthodoxy on the essential doctrines of the faith, I would not break fellowship with them, but would simply agree to disagree.
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I find it funny how Johnv looks down his nose at those of us who apply the biblical prohibition against women pastors. Mark Driscoll is against women pastors, yet Johnv said this about him....and I quote...
How's about a little consistency, eh ?
How's about a little consistency, eh ?
Forgive me there, I might not have been very clear. A common argument heard on this topic is that the "husband of one wife" verse prhibits women as pastors (since women cannot be a husband of one wife). It's always been my contention that thise verse is an admonition against polyamory, and was not intended to address the gender of the pastor. If one applies it to mean "no women", then one must also apply it to mean "no unmarried men".
Whoa, there. My comment "using your logic, if a person believes an unmarried man can be a pastor, that person is not saved." was directed at Matt Wade. If I presented the appearance of putting words in yoru mouth, please accept my apology, for that was not my intent.
I could not agree with you more.
I do no such thing. However, when folks make implications of "if you're okay with women pastors, then you don't believe the Bible", I take issue with that. It is that person, not I, who is looking down their noses at others. The issue of women as pastors is not an essential doctrine. It is not a reason to break fellowship, nor is it cause to question a person's salvation or belief in scripture.
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Who care's what people like this look down on. The Bible is clear we will stick with it and let them wander in their myth.
I agree the Bible is clear.
It is also clear that this thread has reached its 30 page limit and needs to be closed. Feel free to open another thread if you so desire.
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