Youth Pastor & Pornography

I would love to hear you say that to a judge in court - either way you cut it Gib or someone he knows is illegally using privileged information.

it exists to protect all citizens - suppose someone who is legally obliged to respect your privacy and decided that because they thought your actions were immoral they would breach that - how would you feel then? when your bank manager discloses your finances to their friends? or your doctor discloses your medical history?

for Gib to use that information would be a criminal offense therefore the state is involved

so Gib should break the law? people should have no right to any privacy?

so he should break the law? are you recommending that a fellow member of this bbs breaks the law? you are advocating that a fellow christian act illegally?

I feel the same about criminals and people that encourage them.

 

Is encouraging someone to commit a crime not a criminal offense in the USA?

I know it is in the UK.

If someone commits a crime after being encouraged on this bbs is the webmaster in any way responsible?

 

All sins are not equal, or else Jesus would have never mentioned the "greater damnation" in Matthew 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

I wonder how many widows houses are devoured over pornography? How many church members holding positions within the church make a pretence?

I preach a message entitled "Flowers: Real Flowers and Fakes". The question I offered was that a man had put real flowers and fake flowers in an arrangement. From a distance no one could distinguish the fake from the real, but when one got real close, it wasn't hard to tell. Wonder if God would put us on display before the congregation and let them decide whether we're real or fake?

I suppose I could see this as some of you, but I've been through this at our previous church on the behalf of the pastor's sons. It has caused much turmoil due to it being coverd up for so long. Many young people were corrupted and have rebelled as a result, one of the young has died and another has had an abortion, and yet another has had a baby out of wedlock. These are the ones who remained for a while. 80% of those young people don't even go to church now! So do you sweep this under the rug and not deal with it because some one has alead foot and is heavy on the gas? or some one has a problem and can't seem to stop running their mouth? Don't justify sin by excusing other sins, deal with them all! We're not gods! The serpent lied! Quit yourselves like men! is what the Bible tells us.

I wonder if David's son while hanging there in that tree would have thought,"If my daddy hadn't lusted after that Hittites' wife, would I be hanging here like a sitting duck?"

Nathan the prophet confronted David with his sin, y'know, when he went before the king with his little story about the one little ewe lamb?

God dealt with me about my problem with lust, are you trying to cover your's up by generalizing sin?

I don't have a problem with PPV or anything of the like, I am committed unto the Lord in that area and He is still working on me!

Trying to tell a man of God he doesn't have the right to deal with sin! YOU"RE CRAZY!

In His Holy Service!

Brother Ricky

 

so you advocate breaking the law then?

source

 

I cannot believe I am actually doing this, but I am agreeing with InHim2002.

As one who works with very, very confidential documentation on people's lives, I cannot, and I must not, share, or act on, any information with an outside party that I come across in the course of my work. To do so would be the ultimate in a violation of ethics, not to mention being completely illegal.

On a person level, if I came across something like this situation in the course of my work, I would make sure that my daughters were not partaking in a youth group headed by this person, without giving reason other than "I have my own."

But to give out confidential information in the course of my work would be the ultimate violation of trust and the responsiblility that comes with my position. What I learn in the course of my work has "the seal of confession on it," so to speak.

mozier

 

I was going to stay out of this, but....

What's the deal here? Sin is sin in the eyes of God.

Matthew 12:31 -- "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."

 

When G. Campbell Morgan was a young minister, he was asked by a loving mother to visit her daughter. The sad part was that the daughter was working in the Soho district of London; she was a prostitute. Morgan went and was seen visiting. It almost destroyed his ministry by busybodies who didn't take the time to research what had happened.

There is a reason why scripture tells us to face the brethren head on with issues, and settle them there. Even if I heard a rumour, I would approach the individual and make enquiries. The answers to those enquiries would determine the actions to be taken.

I have the upmost respect for the law, but I have even a greater respect for the church of Christ, and I would have greater guilt before God if I did nothing, even a rumour.

Cheers,

Jim

 

So this Pastor orders PPV porn and Playboy at night and all the office personnel at XYZ Cable Co. are laughing about it and saying "Christian... huh?" and this Pastor doesn't need to know he's being ridiculed and that his testimony for Christ Jesus is ruined? PLUS, he works with YOUTH and studies have shown that those who watch porn in many cases move forward into acting out sexually, including rape, etc.

You've considered sending this Pastor a note. Maybe the answer is to basically say....

Dear Bro. ABC,
The fact that someone in your home orders PPV Porn and the Playboy channel almost every night is common knowledge at the Cable company and is openly talked about. As a Christian.... and a YOUTH minister, you should know the Bible says (add verses here) Also, your testimony in town has been corrupted by this sinful habit of someone in your home. The Bible tells me to come to you as my brother and confront you with your sin.

Since it is against the law for me to share this information, I will not contact your pastor. However, this is now between you and our Lord and Savior.

Respectfully,
A Brother in Christ

Any thoughts?
Diane

 

What's the deal here? Sin is sin in the eyes of God.

Matthew 12:31 -- "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." </font>[/QUOTE]O.k. Wizofozomaniac , (The following is of course hypothetical)

I told a little white lie yesterday, and today I shot your mother, which one of those sins do you think I ought to be sent to prison for?

 

That would work, Diane! My how the Lord has given you wisdom in this matter. No law has been broken because it has been kept impersonal, and for it to remain that way the correspondence should be undetectable of it's origin. This will give the benefit of the doubt as well as giving the guilty to have their conscience to deal with, to God be the glory!

I wouldn't refer to the cable company or anything other than it has become public knowledge or at least a rumour about the porn.

There was some one in our church that kept stealing money from the SS classrooms and the tape money from the soundroom. No one was ever caught, but after preaching on it real hard, it suddenly came to a stop. As far as I know it hasn't happened since.

In Christ,

Brother Ricky

 

Which one should you ask God forgiveness for?

Man put degrees on sin, not God. Deal with it.

 

It is true that sin, as sin, is sin. All sins are acts of rebellion against God. However, (comma), God Himself recognized that some sins are more serious than others, and He did it in giving the Law. See Exodus chapters 20-24. One who stole in the Law paid restitution, one who committed what we would call manslaughter was provided with a place of refuge, and one who committed what we would call first degree murder was put to death.

 

Which one should you ask God forgiveness for?

Man put degrees on sin, not God. Deal with it. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]I'm having a hard enough time dealing with you. Are you worse than sin?

Lighten up wiz, or all the little Ozites will be too scared to listen to you!

 

I am really curious Istherenotacause, as to what that actually meant? I am confused by that statement.

I am a middle-young widow, and there are no pornography things in my house, on my house, or by my house. Nor do I agree with it, compromise to it, compensate for it, or make excuses for it.

Sherrie

 

I am really curious Istherenotacause, as to what that actually meant? I am confused by that statement.

I am a middle-young widow, and there are no pornography things in my house, on my house, or by my house. Nor do I agree with it, compromise to it, compensate for it, or make excuses for it.

Sherrie </font>[/QUOTE]My intergallactic thought processes are now being transcendeterated to earth.

What I meant was how many men have wasted thier income on porn, that money that should now be in the hands of their widow after their untimely death.

In an aspect of a Pharisee, this youth pastor is in turn living the part of a sort of Pharisee, hypocrites is what Jesus called them.

Thanks for being nice, most replies I get from a certain Ozinarian are not so nice

 

Thank you for kindly answering me. I am nice most all the time...the rest of the time,I am handing out Wet Raspberries! Here have one!

Sherrie The Wet Raspberry Kid! But you can call me Razz!

 

Lay off. You're too holy and righteous to stoop to badgering and baiting. I think.

 

Lay off. You're too holy and righteous to stoop to badgering and baiting. I think. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm, so glad you think, you had us all fooled there for quite a while.

Try sticking to the topic instead of sticking your foot in your mouth, unless you need the toenail manicure or something!

Here do these look like the teeth of a badger?

 

So wizofoz, do you think an anonymous letter sent to the Youth Pastor would be wrong? I'd say the majority of people who have responded think Gib has to say something! I know I feel very strongly that this Youth Minister should not be involved with Youth!

Diane

 

InHim2002 is right on this point.
InHim2002 backed it up with the exact wording of the law, and then cited the source.
The ends do not justify the means. That is Machiavellian, not Scriptural.

Consult Romans 13:1-2