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Zager Guitars

HeirofSalvation

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I'm not convinced.
Personally, I own and love (and use as my first learner guitar) a Seagull s6
beginner or expert, I've done some research, and have seen nothing to recommend Zager.
Zager never talks tonewoods, which is critical for an acoustic.
A great guitar sounds better as it ages (an acoustic anyway). That's because the resonance of the tonewoods used loosens as the vibrations continue over time.

I don't see Zager as focusing on such issues, or mentioning them.
If I wanted the easiest guitar for a beginner, I would give them an electric, because they are always MUCH easier to play....

Personally I am learning on acoustic because electrics just don't "speak to me" like an acoustic does. I don't understand obsessing over ease of play as your selling point for an acoustic since electrics are so much easier. Zager is flogging acoustics to us. For acoustics, we care about tonewood, resonance, and THEN ease of play.

For better players, I'd think Bourgeouise, or Furch.
Furch is my dream acoustic.
Also Paul Bourgeouise does an excellent job, nothing wrong with Taylors and Martins, they just don't speak to me.

In my limited research, Zager comes across as a company that knows how to use google search info and peddle their guitars to folks researching other brands. This is of course, my opinion. As always, play it first.
 
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John of Japan

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I have a Seagull also, and like it (Excursion Nat Folk SG). The Zager looks good, but I don't plan on changing. Anyway, who can know without actually playing it? I'd never just order a guitar over the Internet. I do like the acoustic electric in the video on the website that has a built in electronic tuner, supposedly for beginners, but why not me, too! I use an electronic tuner anyway.

Had several different guitars in Japan, but elected not to ship them back when we retired from the field some years ago. I do miss my Conn classical--most don't know that Conn made one back in the day. Blew the minds of the repair people when we took it in once.
 
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HeirofSalvation

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I have a Seagull also, and like it.
Cool! Mine has proprietary Godin electronics in it too!
I use an electronic tuner anyway.
'Zactly! A Snark tuner costs less than 20 bucks and is accurate and has a quicker response time.
I have an onboard tuner, but I prefer to use the simple Snark.
https://www.amazon.com/Snark-Instrument-Clip-Chromatic-Tuner/dp/B003VWKPHC/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3U22MTML915B1&dchild=1&keywords=snark+tuner&qid=1590509172&sprefix=snark+,aps,381&sr=8-4
For the dollar....all day, plus you can use microphone or vibration setting and tune any instrument with it.
 

John of Japan

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Cool! Mine has proprietary Godin electronics in it too!

'Zactly! A Snark tuner costs less than 20 bucks and is accurate and has a quicker response time.
I have an onboard tuner, but I prefer to use the simple Snark.
https://www.amazon.com/Snark-Instrument-Clip-Chromatic-Tuner/dp/B003VWKPHC/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3U22MTML915B1&dchild=1&keywords=snark+tuner&qid=1590509172&sprefix=snark+,aps,381&sr=8-4
For the dollar....all day, plus you can use microphone or vibration setting and tune any instrument with it.
My tuner is a Korg DT-7 which I bought in Japan many years ago.

Sure, the guitarist can do it by ear. But I don't trust my ears enough! I'm not a pro.
 
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John of Japan

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What a beauty!

Zager ZAD900 full size acoustic (non-cutaway) walk-around with Denny and Dennis Jr.

Very pretty. It's interesting to me that this guitar (and my Seagull) does not have a pick guard. When I started playing in the '60's, there was no such thing as a folk guitar with no pick guard.

My first guitar was a classical of some brand or another from Earle the Trader (who cheated me, by changing the price). And some idiot had put steel strings on it, so the neck was twisted a bit and you couldn't quite tune it right. But I loved it. Anyway, I put some dents in that rascal with my pick as I learned to play--so no beginner should play on a pick-guard-less guitar unless he is learning fingerpicking from the start.
 
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KenH

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It's interesting to me that this guitar

Good question so I did some research:

Are pick guards included?

All Zager guitars come with pickguards. We don’t install them as we have some artists and veteran players who think sound quality is compromised putting anything on the soundboard and others who like the cleaner look without a guard but we always include them as well as a video in our video help library that shows how to install them. (It’s very easy and takes only a minute.) If you’d like Denny to install it before it ships just send a note with your order or email us.”

Are pick guards included? | Zager Guitars

By the way, is there anything more fun than window shopping guitars? :)
 

John of Japan

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Good question so I did some research:

Are pick guards included?

All Zager guitars come with pickguards. We don’t install them as we have some artists and veteran players who think sound quality is compromised putting anything on the soundboard and others who like the cleaner look without a guard but we always include them as well as a video in our video help library that shows how to install them. (It’s very easy and takes only a minute.) If you’d like Denny to install it before it ships just send a note with your order or email us.”

Are pick guards included? | Zager Guitars

By the way, is there anything more fun than window shopping guitars? :)
Thanks for checking that out. I do think my Seagull looks better without a pick guard. And I've always liked the look of a classical guitar.

I was window shopping the Ovations on Amazon just today. One of my college roommates (1974 or thereabouts) loved the Ovation, fairly new at the time, and tried to buy one from a friend, so I got to play it. Very revolutionary for the time. I loved it but never had one, but did have a kind of imitation of it in Japan in an acoustic electric. Fun to play.
 

HeirofSalvation

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I found this interesting and informing video about Ovations when I was doing some of my initial research.....
I know they fell out of favour in the 90's or so, but in this video, he explains they may be making a comeback and why.
They were indeed innovative.
Apparently they are a favourite of Khaki King, who, even if you don't care for her style, is extremely virtuosic.
 

KenH

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Check out the Martin D18 demo. Interesting history tidbits.


Which reminds me of this: :)

 

John of Japan

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I found this interesting and informing video about Ovations when I was doing some of my initial research.....
I know they fell out of favour in the 90's or so, but in this video, he explains they may be making a comeback and why.
They were indeed innovative.
Apparently they are a favourite of Khaki King, who, even if you don't care for her style, is extremely virtuosic.
I'll watch this on Monday. I'm at a coffee shop with the family and forgot my headphones.

Never heard of Khaki King. Sorry! I'll check her out, though. I'm still back in the '60's & '70's--Roy Clark, Chet Atkins, Glen Campbell, John Denver, folk guitar, some classical guitarists--Maleguena, Classical Gas. (Ever hear Jim Stafford on those two?) I can admit, though, that there are some awesome guitarists in genres I don't like.
 

Salty

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Why are allowing this thread to string along......

In fact, I wonder if Dr John R Rice ever
wrote a book about the evils of guitars.....
 

Deacon

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I bought my first guitar in 1973 with my first ever paycheck, a steel-string acoustical el Degas, $125 bucks.

Here’s the next, a beautiful Garrison acoustical.

I haven’t played in years.
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Rob
 

KenH

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Here’s the next, a beautiful Garrison acoustical.

Beautiful.

Well, June 1, the Lord willing, I will start learning to play the guitar. I had started in mid-2007 and was making progress and then in November of that year I had to have rotator cuff surgery and didn’t get back to being able to comfortably reach over my guitar until 3 months later. By then, other life matters got in the way and I never got back to a sustained attempt. Now that I am retired and now that I am a widower since April 18, I am ready to make the plunge. I already have a natural Blueridge BR-40 and a black Ibanez AW-70 both of which I will restring...and away I go! :)

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Deacon

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So sorry to hear of your recent loss.
Learning to play will take some time but may help you express yourself in ways words alone can’t express.
I got through many a trial singing my heart to the Lord.
King David was a singer after all... a man after God’s heart.

Rob
 
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