Zeal for correcting a brother greater than for winning a soul?

[Tsalagi]

Tsalagi, you have a false opinion of your own sin. You think it taint so bad. But, you are utterly wretched and a natural, treasonous rebel against God, the King. Please let that sink in. You deserve eternal hell and damnation. You don't deserve a lifeline.

Please don't try to tell me what I think. I am fully aware of my innate sinfulness, and of yours. That doesn't change anything with regard to the exercise of faith. Whosoever will may come. That invitation is not qualified or limited in any way by God, only by you.

But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— (Ephesians 2:4-5)

See that, God chose mercy and grace for you. He doesn't do that for the entire human race. He does that for the sheep God the Father has given him.

Sheep are not mentioned anywhere in that context. You are mashing up prooftexts and mangling the simple truths of Scripture.

Yet, YOU, call God horrible and evil and unjust for not saving everyone. The blasphemy is coming from you, the one who follows the way of Jeroboam. I lovingly call you to repentance.

I have made no reference to God being evil or unjust for not saving everyone. According to the Bible those who reject God have their blood on their own heads, it is not due to God failing to elect them for some inscrutable reason.

God is righteous and just (and gracious) to make salvation available to every one of us, and to hold us fully and eternally accountable if we choose to reject His free grace in Christ. YOU are the one who believes God eternally punishes people for something over which they have no control, and for which they cannot be justly held accountable. The God of the Bible is neither cruel nor unfair, but your false theology makes Him both.

Your unbiblical theology limits God's grace and Christ's atonement; biblical theology doesn't. Yours makes God punish people for something they cannot help; biblical theology doesn't. The God of the Bible is far greater than the God of your faulty interpretation.

 

[AustinC]

The ability to express faith is just as universal as the ability to think. The merit of faith is in its object, not in its exercise.
The Bible says faith is not works; you are the only one claiming otherwise.

Who is the author of faith?
Does Jesus author faith in all humans or only in those that God makes alive with Christ. The Bible is clear that only those who are made alive with Christ have faith.
Whether your intellectualism will allow you to accept this truth is the question.

 

[AustinC]

Please don't try to tell me what I think. I am fully aware of my innate sinfulness, and of yours. That doesn't change anything with regard to the exercise of faith. Whosoever will may come. That invitation is not qualified or limited in any way by God, only by you.



Sheep are not mentioned anywhere in that context. You are mashing up prooftexts and mangling the simple truths of Scripture.


I have made no reference to God being evil or unjust for not saving everyone. According to the Bible those who reject God have their blood on their own heads, it is not due to God failing to elect them for some inscrutable reason.

God is righteous and just (and gracious) to make salvation available to every one of us, and to hold us fully and eternally accountable if we choose to reject His free grace in Christ. YOU are the one who believes God eternally punishes people for something over which they have no control, and for which they cannot be justly held accountable. The God of the Bible is neither cruel nor unfair, but your false theology makes Him both.

Your unbiblical theology limits God's grace and Christ's atonement; biblical theology doesn't. Yours makes God punish people for something they cannot help; biblical theology doesn't. The God of the Bible is far greater than the God of your faulty interpretation.

You have openly implied that a God who doesn't save everyone in the water is evil. You have openly questioned God's justice and implied that a just God is not a loving God. You have openly taught human will as the cause agent that persuades God to save.

 

[Tsalagi]

Who is the author of faith?
Does Jesus author faith in all humans or only in those that God makes alive with Christ. The Bible is clear that only those who are made alive with Christ have faith.
Whether your intellectualism will allow you to accept this truth is the question.

I am simply reading what Scripture says. You are reading something INTO it that isn't there, and you demean the character of God in so doing.

 

[Tsalagi]

You have openly implied that a God who doesn't save everyone in the water is evil. You have openly questioned God's justice and implied that a just God is not a loving God. You have openly taught human will as the cause agent that persuades God to save.

A God who refuses to make salvation available to all is the cruel and unjust God of YOUR false theology, not the Bible. You can't fit Revelation 22:17 into your view so you have to change it and pretend it doesn't say what it clearly says.

The Bible teaches that (to use my analogy) God has thrown all ten life rings into the water, and any who refuse to accept His grace by laying hold of that freely-available salvation because they reject the boat and its Captain are justly condemned. God is gracious, righteous, just, and fair in this regard and those who reject Him are without excuse, just as Scripture says.

 

[Salty]

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