Zelensky's problematic views

[Mikey]

The targeting of women and children has historically been part of war and it has always been evil.

Yes it has. My post wasn't meant to disagree with that, though it could be understood that way. What I meant was that there is a difference in inflicting civilian casualties purposely and inflicting civilian casualties whilst engaging military units. And yes senselessly killing civilians is evil.

When Russia deliberately targets cities, where those women and children live, they are intentionally killing women and children in masse.

Cities are where the war is. Russia tries to take them, Ukraine tries to hold them. This was the case in WW2, Iraq war Afghanistan etc, and since there was cities.

To say that fighting in cities = intentionally killing women and children in masse; then you have to condemn the USA in Fallujah, Bagdad, Basra etc, The Allies in the many cities fought throughout Europe. and the many other wars that i shan't mention.

So I do not agree with your dichotomy.

That is the goal of the madman Putin. He is reigning hell down on the innocents, trying to force the army to surrender.

Having the discernment to recognize evil is, apparently, in short supply in this war.

That may very well be the case. Certainly he's using intimidation to force surrender. But isn't that true of every war?


And here's the point. Is Russia deliberately inflicting civilians casualties, or are the casualties the sad byproduct of fighting a war? That's my question. A question we should all be asking and coming to conclusions based on the best information we have available, not hysteria.

Asking that question and asking for information to support their conclusion so i can have a better, right conclusion is discernment.

 

[Mikey]

Just today a maternity ward of a hospital was bombed. Residential areas repeatedly being bombed. Get your head out of the sand.

Ok. So that is some evidence that may point to your conclusion. But was it deliberate or the sad byproduct of warfare? The USA bombed schools and religious buildings etc whilst at war. But they were used by the enemy, for combative purpose (storage, command, IED factory etc) or accedidently to human, intelligence, or technical error.

There were civilian casualties during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistn. Does that make them slughtering women and children? Or was that sadly what happens during war. That civilians get caught up in the cross-fire.

My head isn't in the sand. But many people seem to have gone along with the narrative without questioning it. Based not so much on facts but on feelings,

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

I will again say, If you agree with Chuck, Nancy, and Joe, you are wrong.

I'd say I agree 99%. There's always that blind squirrel saying though!

Matter of fact, a blind squirrel wound easily find a passel load of nuts in D.C.

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

With that logic, why live in the United States?

Because the U.S is a collection of states, which are a collection of counties, and my county, and my state (for now) are anti-abortion and my wife was blessed to work in a crisis pregnancy center for a year where she got to experience many of the protections for the unborn that my state has.

U.S national morals = kooky
Russia national morals = less kooky
North Carolina policy = Even less kooky
My Appalachian County that is overwhelmingly Christian = Minimal Kookiness

In order words in a "moral" matchup:
U.S v. Russia - Russia wins
N.C v. Russia - N.C Wins
My county v. N.C - my county wins

 

[Reformed1689]

Because the U.S is a collection of states, which are a collection of counties, and my county, and my state (for now) are anti-abortion and my wife was blessed to work in a crisis pregnancy center for a year where she got to experience many of the protections for the unborn that my state has.

U.S national morals = kooky
Russia national morals = less kooky
North Carolina policy = Even less kooky
My Appalachian County that is overwhelmingly Christian = Minimal Kookiness

In order words in a "moral" matchup:
U.S v. Russia - Russia wins
N.C v. Russia - N.C Wins
My county v. N.C - my county wins

Except in the real world, that's not really what it breaks down to.

 

[Reynolds]

Because the U.S is a collection of states, which are a collection of counties, and my county, and my state (for now) are anti-abortion and my wife was blessed to work in a crisis pregnancy center for a year where she got to experience many of the protections for the unborn that my state has.

U.S national morals = kooky
Russia national morals = less kooky
North Carolina policy = Even less kooky
My Appalachian County that is overwhelmingly Christian = Minimal Kookiness

In order words in a "moral" matchup:
U.S v. Russia - Russia wins
N.C v. Russia - N.C Wins
My county v. N.C - my county wins

In all fairness, NC is getting pretty kookey due to the research triangle and all it's liberals. Just like Atlanta is poisoning Ga.

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

In all fairness, NC is getting pretty kookey due to the research triangle and all it's liberals. Just like Atlanta is poisoning Ga.

Yes, we are being invaded just as Virginia was. Research Triangle is going to be NOVA in NC. My Sheriff's Dept recently installed a baby box though so that we don't find babies in dumpsters anymore, so that's good. I doubt my county will ever go nutty.

If we could just extend West Virginia down through SW VA, NW NC and ETN I'd be happy. Stick all us mountain folks in 1 state where we can live as we wish haha.

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

Except in the real world, that's not really what it breaks down to.

Loyalty to God, Family, Community, County, State then Country in that order.

You're welcome to disagree with that, but that IS the real world here.

 

[Reformed1689]

Loyalty to God, Family, Community, County, State then Country in that order.

You're welcome to disagree with that, but that IS the real world here.

We aren't talking about loyalty, we are talking about reality.

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

We aren't talking about loyalty, we are talking about reality.

Okay, and in reality Russia's National-Level morals are superior to the U.S National Level morals, which currently support a myriad of Sodom junk.

And my state's-culture (for now as Reynolds pointed out) is currently better than Russia's culture.

And my county's culture is better than my state's currently because of the diluting influence of RTP.

What point are you trying to make?

 

[Walkin' with Jesus]

I may be one of the few here who has actually been to Ukraine and knows people there. Back in 2010 or 2011, I took a mission trip to Ukraine where I spent my time teaching in a deaf camp and preaching in churches to both hearing and deaf congregations.

I have never seen another country where the deaf are supported by the hearing churches such as they are there. I met several hearing pastors there who could communicate either the deaf in Ukrainian sign language. They had a strong work of evangelism with the deaf and hearing there.

I still maintain contact with a few of the believers there. They know their government and country is not perfect, but they also know they are innocent pawns in this unjust war.

They deserve our prayers and support.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Are Z's positions all that much different from the ruling parties in Western Europe?

 

[Reformed1689]

Okay, and in reality Russia's National-Level morals are superior to the U.S National Level morals, which currently support a myriad of Sodom junk.

And my state's-culture (for now as Reynolds pointed out) is currently better than Russia's culture.

And my county's culture is better than my state's currently because of the diluting influence of RTP.

What point are you trying to make?

My point is you are not separated from the national. So, you talk about Ukraine's issues, if you can't support them because of those issues, why do you stay in the United States? This is pretty simple.

 

[kyredneck]

Do you think these Ukrainians were worse sinners than others? I tell you no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish (cf. Luke 13:1-5).

What? Roman soldiers are going to fall upon them and kill them?

 

[Martin Marprelate]

What? Roman soldiers are going to fall upon them and kill them?

No. They'll have a tower fall on them.

 

[kyredneck]

No. They'll have a tower fall on them.

It was the Roman soldiers that were garrisoned in the tower of Siloam that fell upon them. Josephus records the incident.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Are Z's positions all that much different from the ruling parties in Western Europe?

which is what?