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Refuse To Be Baptized?

Scripture More Accurately

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What in the world? Me "claiming that we are not supposed to disciple people"???? What on earth made you think that? I am 100% in favor of biblical discipling. And a part of that is teaching the new convert what baptism is and why they should be baptized. I'll attach several photos of people I baptized in Japan, just so anyone who reads your post won't be fooled about me. In particular, U. San (the man with the graying hair) was a Yakuza gangster whose home I went to weekly for many, many months. For Mrs. Hayashizaki, I was so committed to baptizing her I built our own baptistry--in the kitchen of our tiny Japanese apartment.
My comment was in response to your saying the following about me:

If I go your direction, then apparently the soul winner wins someone to Christ, but then is not responsible to disciple them, teaching them about baptism and teaching them "all things" that Jesus had commanded.

I never said anything that supports your even suggesting that I hold such a view or my "direction" is such and such.

As a clarification, what I should have said was the following:

"I have not said anything that supports your statement that 'my direction is that we are not supposed to disciple people . . .'"
 

KJB1611reader

Active Member
Hello,

What is meaning of the response not in union with Christ if not baptized?

The Romans verse is about water baptism?

I am not at a Baptist church.

They refuse to let me do communion if I am not water baptized.

I am spiritually baptized into Christ and a Christian.

Shawn
 

Ben1445

Active Member
Hello,

What is meaning of the response not in union with Christ if not baptized?

The Romans verse is about water baptism?

I am not at a Baptist church.

They refuse to let me do communion if I am not water baptized.

I am spiritually baptized into Christ and a Christian.

Shawn
What church do you go to? I know you mentioned availability of Baptist churches being a problem. I’m assuming that the statement in question is from the church. It would be helpful to know what kind of church they are, to know what they mean.
 

KJB1611reader

Active Member
What church do you go to? I know you mentioned availability of Baptist churches being a problem. I’m assuming that the statement in question is from the church. It would be helpful to know what kind of church they are, to know what they mean.
I am in China.

Its non-denomination.

They do sprinkle since there is no pool.

Though maybe influenced by missionary who started church.

Not Baptist.
 

Aaron

Member
Site Supporter
I care…that guy fed us and put a roof over our heads. He was forever helping both his family and his community. However I don’t care about being called a heathen and a publican, whatever a publican is….btw my uncle didn’t give a shite either. Masons serve many communities in both Pennsylvania & NJ. That pipsqueak priest must have lost allot of my uncle’s contributions to his homosexual church which was a path in the right direction. In the end, his mentoring of my mother gave my mom the courage to give permission to me and my brother to both join genuine Christian churches thus ending the Catholic legacy in our family. Thanks Uncle Pat!:Thumbsup
Your Uncle Pat and the RCC are not relevant to the discussion.
 

Aaron

Member
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Hello,

What is meaning of the response not in union with Christ if not baptized?
I said you haven't formally entered into union with Christ and His church.

The Romans verse is about water baptism?
Yes.

I am not at a Baptist church.

They refuse to let me do communion if I am not water baptized.
As well they should.

I am spiritually baptized into Christ and a Christian.

Shawn
That may be true, but in the observation of the ordinances, form and decorum counts.
 

KJB1611reader

Active Member
I said you haven't formally entered into union with Christ and His church.


Yes.


As well they should.


That may be true, but in the observation of the ordinances, form and decorum counts.
That's no Baptist church, the churches back home let people do communion without water baptism.
 

Aaron

Member
Site Supporter
Explain formally entered.
You haven't submitted to the initiatory rite. You haven't accepted the sign of your union. Therefore you haven't joined the church. No one is saying you aren't saved, but God will have order in His assemblies. The ordinances aren't a free-for-all, and we aren't free to be disorderly or indiscriminate in our observances of them.

No one can see the heart but God, yet one's testimony can't be accepted if one is refusing to submit to baptistm. That smacks of pride, and God resisteth the proud. It's like the couple who just says they're married, but refuse to solemnize their union. The ceremony doesn't make them one flesh. God does. But we don't get to treat them like a couple until they formally enter into union through whatever ceremony is customary to a particular people.
 

Aaron

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That's no Baptist church, the churches back home let people do communion without water baptism.
It's eminently Baptist. I know all about open communion. Where it's practiced there is usually a warning that the ordinance is for those who are members in good standing of a church with like faith and practice, so it's on their conscience if they partake unworthily.
 

KJB1611reader

Active Member
It's eminently Baptist. I know all about open communion. Where it's practiced there is usually a warning that the ordinance is for those who are members in good standing of a church with like faith and practice, so it's on their conscience if they partake unworthily.
Yes, but here no. Can't do it.
 

Aaron

Member
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I am studying medicine. Better here then some woke liberal school in the west.
Yes, wholesale Communism is to be preferred to it's mere influence here. :rolleyes:

I'm sure the state-approved church you're attending is safer for you, too. You don't sound like a good candidate for baptism to me. But that's just me. Carry on.
 

KJB1611reader

Active Member
Yes, wholesale Communism is to be preferred to it's mere influence here. :rolleyes:

I'm sure the state-approved church you're attending is safer for you, too. You don't sound like a good candidate for baptism to me. But that's just me. Carry on.
I couldn't get into a university in Canada.

Second, I am trying to act safe here, they can spy on my web searchers...

Again, I am a Bptist. I am just trying to find a church.

Where else do I go?
 
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