Christ SHALL Save His People From Their Sins

[KenH]

makes God the author of all the sin

The pejorative phrase, "God is the Author of sin", is a concoction of those who hate the Biblical fact that God is absolutely, totally sovereign, and that, in a huge blow to their fallen human pride, they are not the captain of their own fate.

God has foreordained all things, yet it is still humans who actually commit sin, not God; God does not reach down and manually move a person's mouth to lie; the person himself does that. Just as God has ordained who His sheep are, yet it is the sheep that actually believe in the finished salvation accomplished by Christ Jesus on their behalf; God does not reach into their minds and physically believe for them.

 

[Silverhair]

The pejorative phrase, "God is the Author of sin", is a concoction of those who hate the Biblical fact that God is absolutely, totally sovereign, and that, in a huge blow to their fallen human pride, they are not the captain of their own fate.

God has foreordained all things, yet it is still humans who actually commit sin, not God; God does not reach down and manually move a person's mouth to lie; the person himself does that. Just as God has ordained who His sheep are, yet it is the sheep that actually believe in the finished salvation accomplished by Christ Jesus on their behalf; God does not reach into their minds and physically believe for them.

If you actually believe that God is totally sovereign then why do you hold to a religion the denies that truth. Calvinism makes the claim but the reality of that view is just the opposite.

Look at your so called DoG/TULIP an unbiblical set of words the turned the love of God into a system of mans pride.

It is the calvinist divine determinism birthed from the WCF/LBCF leads to the charge that the calvinist philosophy makes God the author of sin.

The bible says we do decide our own fate through faith but the calvinist says God does "reach into their minds" and believes for them.

Ken H it seems you do not even know what your own philosophy teaches.

 

[Zaatar71]

So we have a calvinist that finally admits their deterministic religion makes God the author of all the sin and evil in the world.

The bible disagrees but should I tell Ken, and @Zaatar71 since he agreed with Ken, he is wrong? It may upset them and I really would not want to do that.

Ken did not say that!

Ken does not believe that God is the author of sin.

You are bearing false witness against Ken.

You should not bear false witness, it is a sin.

Exodus 20:16
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor
Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Romans 13:9
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

Ken said this; [
The pejorative phrase, "God is the Author of sin", is a concoction of those who hate the Biblical fact that God is absolutely, totally sovereign, and that, in a huge blow to their fallen human pride, they are not the captain of their own fate.

God has foreordained all things, yet it is still humans who actually commit sin, not God; God does not reach down and manually move a person's mouth to lie; the person himself does that. Just as God has ordained who His sheep are, yet it is the sheep that actually believe in the finished salvation accomplished by Christ Jesus on their behalf; God does not reach into their minds and physically believe for them.]

Apologize to Ken, and confess this sin to God.

 

[Silverhair]

Ken did not say that!

Ken does not believe that God is the author of sin.

You are bearing false witness against Ken.

You should not bear false witness, it is a sin.

Exodus 20:16
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor
Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Romans 13:9
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

Ken said this; [
The pejorative phrase, "God is the Author of sin", is a concoction of those who hate the Biblical fact that God is absolutely, totally sovereign, and that, in a huge blow to their fallen human pride, they are not the captain of their own fate.

God has foreordained all things, yet it is still humans who actually commit sin, not God; God does not reach down and manually move a person's mouth to lie; the person himself does that. Just as God has ordained who His sheep are, yet it is the sheep that actually believe in the finished salvation accomplished by Christ Jesus on their behalf; God does not reach into their minds and physically believe for them.]

Apologize to Ken, and confess this sin to God.

Ken and you are calvinists and support divine determinism that we see in the WCF/LBCF which is clear that God has decreed all things not just some things.

That would logically include all the sin and evil we see in the world. Th at is unless you think there is a different meaning to decree, all, & things.

I find it amazing that calvinists insist that God ordains all things but try to deny that would have to include all things such as sin and evil.

So not bearing false witness but just pointing out the truth that you and so many calvinists deny.

It is your confessions, divine determinism, TULIP/DoG etc. that lead to the charge.

If that upsets you then rethink the man-made philosophy you are supporting.

 

[Brightfame52]

So Christ is going to save the Jews as they were His people?

So that means that for the rest of us we have to freely trust in the risen Christ Jesus and then God the Father will by His grace save those that have believed.

No, His People is His Church Eph 5:23-29

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Charlie24

Christ came the the first time "only for the lost sheep of Israel."

Thats the Church, His Body. The first and only time He came to save was for His Church world Jn 3:16-17

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 Jn 4 14

And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

See, the lost sheep of Israel He came to save, people didnt know, but it was comprised of not only jews, but Gentiles, the other Sheep not of the jewish fold Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The Gentile inclusion with the lost house of israel was a Mystery

 

[Silverhair]

@Charlie24



Thats the Church, His Body. The first and only time He came to save was for His Church world Jn 3:16-17

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 Jn 4 14

And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

See, the lost sheep of Israel He came to save, people didnt know, but it was comprised of not only jews, but Gentiles, the other Sheep not of the jewish fold Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The Gentile inclusion with the lost house of israel was a Mystery

The more you post the more you show just how far you have traveled from the truth of God's word.

That you claim to preach is scary as you are misleading all those that follow you.

 

[Layman]

Matthew 1:21 - And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

I understand the text to mean that Jesus will accomplish the task of saving His people. I don’t understand it to mean that He makes people saveable.

 

[Charlie24]

@Charlie24



Thats the Church, His Body. The first and only time He came to save was for His Church world Jn 3:16-17

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 Jn 4 14

And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

See, the lost sheep of Israel He came to save, people didnt know, but it was comprised of not only jews, but Gentiles, the other Sheep not of the jewish fold Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The Gentile inclusion with the lost house of israel was a Mystery

BF, I'm pretty sure you don't understand that Christ came to His chosen people (Israel) first for salvation in order for them to unite with Christ and evangelize the Gentile world, introducing the Father's Christ for mankind. That's what Israel was chosen for!

When you get salvation wrong everything that follows will be wrong, no exceptions!

 

[Zaatar71]

Ken did not say that!

Ken does not believe that God is the author of sin.

You are bearing false witness against Ken.

You should not bear false witness, it is a sin.

Exodus 20:16
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor
Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Romans 13:9
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Ken and you are calvinists and support divine determinism that we see in the WCF/LBCF which is clear that God has decreed all things not just some things.

We have explained that to you. We have explained it more than once. You do not accept the teaching. That is what you want to do. That does not mean that you can take your misunderstanding of what has been explained to you, to bear false witness against Ken! it is sin. I quoted ken's post so you have no loophole to wiggle out of.

That would logically include all the sin and evil we see in the world.

Only in your mind, and those who resist the God taught by Calvinism, ie, the bible. Who asked you to use your carnal logic, in place of plain speaking by Ken, or the confession of faith. Both declare plainly that God is not, and cannot be the author of sin. The misunderstanding is squarely on you.

Th at is unless you think there is a different meaning to decree, all, & things.

We have explained to you that as you depart from the biblical meaning you are going to do off in a ditch, and that is exactly what has happened. You are still bearing false witness against Ken. Show any quote where can actually posted God is the author of sin! You cannot because ken obviously does not believe or teach that.

I find it amazing that calvinists insist that God ordains all things but try to deny that would have to include all things such as sin and evil.

You find it "amazing" because you do not understand the words you are posting. We have patiently explained this. you refuse to understand what you are told. The result is still your bearing false witness.

So not bearing false witness but just pointing out the truth that you and so many calvinists deny.

This displays will full ignorance on your part. This shows why you cannot offer truth, because you have to resort to false witness. You cannot seem to grasp what we all see.

It is your confessions, divine determinism, TULIP/DoG etc. that lead to the charge.

You misunderstanding, cannot be used as a basis to try and explain away a solid confession of faith. It just shows your rebellion against truth.

If that upsets you then rethink the man-made philosophy you are supporting.

no. I am not upset as I have often seen what happens when people turn away from truth. They have nothing to say, or contribute that is helpful.

 

[Brightfame52]

The more you post the more you show just how far you have traveled from the truth of God's word.

That you claim to preach is scary as you are misleading all those that follow you.

So you dont believe that His People of Matt 1:21 is His Church, whom He exclusively Loved and Gave Himself for ? Eph 5:25-27

 

[Brightfame52]

BF, I'm pretty sure you don't understand that Christ came to His chosen people (Israel) first for salvation in order for them to unite with Christ and evangelize the Gentile world, introducing the Father's Christ for mankind. That's what Israel was chosen for!

When you get salvation wrong everything that follows will be wrong, no exceptions!

I believe you are deceived with the false teaching of dispensationalism as well. Christ came to save His Church. Matt 1:21 is a Gospel Promise, Gentiles were included but it was a Mystery Eph 3:3-6

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Its plain God sent Him into the world to save the world, not just jews Jn 3:16-17

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

See that's why scripture uses the word world in most cases because of the erroneous thinking the jews always had thinking that they only ad a salvation interest with God. And you and others have fell into the same deception. The Lost Sheep of Israel He came to save, s the same world He came to save in Jn 3:16-17 but its the world of the elect

 

[KenH]

Ken H it seems you do not even know what your own philosophy teaches.

I am neither a Calvinist(I have not read Calvin other than what others have quoted written by him, unless I might have read some dribs and drabs over the years) nor do I adhere to the the WCF or the LBCF(I don't recall if I have ever read them). I do agree with the Confession of Faith of Grace Baptist Church of Ruston, Louisiana, where I worship God - Articles of Faith.

 

[KenH]

I think that Brandan Kraft does well in this article in his dealing with the pejorative charge of "Author of sin".

An excerpt from an article of his on supralapsarianism:

"Infralapsarians are often found to be opposed to supralapsarianism because they usually believe that supralapsarianism makes God the “author of sin.” What I find odd about that phrase is that it is nowhere to be found in Scripture, yet it’s a phrase that is often guarded like a sacred cow not to be touched. For the record, I do not believe evil and sin originate in the character of God but that He predestined these events for His purposes. It is impossible for God to sin, so I really don’t see what the big deal is. If you want a good definition of sin or evil, just look to God for the definitions as these things are the exact opposite of His Holy Nature. While infralapsarians often accuse supralapsarians with charging God as the “author of sin,” supralapsarians can equally charge infralapsarians with believing that God allowed sin to happen and did nothing to stop it! If I had to pick which one was worse based solely on logic, I’d have to conclude the infralapsarian scheme is because it depicts God with not getting what He wanted and without power to stop something He did not predestine. Infralapsarians also have difficulty explaining where sin came from and sometimes refer to a strange doctrine known as eternal law that exists outside of God which God Himself is bound to obey. I don’t know where any scriptural foundation for this strange belief is found, so you’ll have to ask an infralapsarian that believes in these things to explain this for you if you’re interested. It is my belief that God is the eternal law if there is such a thing."

- rest of article at Confession of a Hyper-Calvinist - Brandan Kraft

 

[JonC]

So Christ is going to save the Jews as they were His people?

So that means that for the rest of us we have to freely trust in the risen Christ Jesus and then God the Father will by His grace save those that have believed.

The problem with that post is they apply "His people" to the lost (to those not yet saved). It's reading ones beluef into Scripture rather than deriving belief from Scripture.

 

[Aaron]

So Christ is going to save the Jews as they were His people?

He did not come in the likeness of the Jews, but of the seed of Abraham. The seed of Abraham are His people. Those who are of faith, are the seed of Abraham, the father of faith.

So that means that for the rest of us we have to freely trust in the risen Christ Jesus and then God the Father will by His grace save those that have believed.

There is only one Gospel.

 

[Charlie24]

I believe you are deceived with the false teaching of dispensationalism as well. Christ came to save His Church. Matt 1:21 is a Gospel Promise, Gentiles were included but it was a Mystery Eph 3:3-6

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Its plain God sent Him into the world to save the world, not just jews Jn 3:16-17

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

See that's why scripture uses the word world in most cases because of the erroneous thinking the jews always had thinking that they only ad a salvation interest with God. And you and others have fell into the same deception. The Lost Sheep of Israel He came to save, s the same world He came to save in Jn 3:16-17 but its the world of the elect

We don't know exactly what you believe, BF. We have to pick it out of your posts. I just hope that you have repented of your sins by faith in Christ.

If you get that part right from the heart and hold on to the end with it, you're going to make it.

God asks very little of us, but demands that we repent and believe in His Son. I hope you have taken those steps in faith.

 

[Silverhair]

We have explained that to you. We have explained it more than once. You do not accept the teaching. That is what you want to do. That does not mean that you can take your misunderstanding of what has been explained to you, to bear false witness against Ken! it is sin. I quoted ken's post so you have no loophole to wiggle out of.

You are trying to explain things from your calvinist view. I am pointing that your calvinist view has serious errors. I could quote the words of calvvinists too you and you still would say I got it wrong.

Only in your mind, and those who resist the God taught by Calvinism, ie, the bible. Who asked you to use your carnal logic, in place of plain speaking by Ken, or the confession of faith. Both declare plainly that God is not, and cannot be the author of sin. The misunderstanding is squarely on you.

Of course I reject the god of calvinism as He is not the God we see in scripture.
Your confessions disagree with you ZA
God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass LBCF

We have explained to you that as you depart from the biblical meaning you are going to do off in a ditch, and that is exactly what has happened. You are still bearing false witness against Ken. Show any quote where can actually posted God is the author of sin! You cannot because ken obviously does not believe or teach that.

Calvinism has ran into the ditch actually it never got out of the ditch. It started with pagan philosophy and it carries that on to this day.

You find it "amazing" because you do not understand the words you are posting. We have patiently explained this. you refuse to understand what you are told. The result is still your bearing false witness.

Read my words ZA. I have looked at calvinism I can quote your calvinism so when I say it is in serious error I know what I am speaking of.

This displays will full ignorance on your part. This shows why you cannot offer truth, because you have to resort to false witness. You cannot seem to grasp what we all see.

The false witness is what you continue to hold to ZA. Sorry but what you are teaching is not biblical.

You misunderstanding, cannot be used as a basis to try and explain away a solid confession of faith. It just shows your rebellion against truth.

I quote your confessions so you can not say I got it wrong. Open your eyes ZA.

no. I am not upset as I have often seen what happens when people turn away from truth. They have nothing to say, or contribute that is helpful.

You should be upset as you have been mislead into believing that false doctrine.

 

[Silverhair]

So you dont believe that His People of Matt 1:21 is His Church, whom He exclusively Loved and Gave Himself for ? Eph 5:25-27

His people are the Jews BF. Yes Christ loves His church is is comprised of all those, Jews a & Greeks, that will freely trust in the risen son of God.

 

[Silverhair]

He did not come in the likeness of the Jews, but of the seed of Abraham. The seed of Abraham are His people. Those who are of faith, are the seed of Abraham, the father of faith.


There is only one Gospel.

And those that freely respond to that message will be saved. But in the passage Mat 1:21 it can be seen clearly that it is [pointing to the Jews.