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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
What a commentator writes is not scripture, we can find them useful but they do not replace the word of God.

But even the quote you gave from Poole does not help you BF. The reconciliation of God by the death of Christ does not save anyone BF but it does make man saveable. Those that will respond in faith to the gospel message will be saved.
See Rom 5:1-2, Rom 10:9-10, Rom 10:13 or a verse that you have posted more than once Rom 5:10.
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How were they healed according to what Isaiah wrote here Isa 53:5

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

What does healed mean scripturally ?
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Your reasoning is off. Again If Christs Death perfected them He died for, made them fit for heaven, and everyone not going to heaven because of their sins, how in Gods Creation you believe Christ died for them ?
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Because the bible says that He did. Do you not trust the word of God BF?
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
BF where do you come up with this those crazy ideas?

The bible is clear that we are saved by faith in the resurrected Christ.

Your religious view has a select group saved prior to them ever hearing or believing the gospel message. That is not biblical but it is calvinism.

The bible is quite clear on this BF and for someone that claims to preach you should know this. We are save by the grace of God because we have believed in His risen son.

Our faith does not save us but we are saved because we believe.
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Rom 10:10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

You are letting a philosophy birthed from pagan religious ideas in the 4th century inform you as to what the bible means.
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Faith is in Christ that He saved His People from their sins. But you dont believe that. How in the world do you believe in Christ, saying, Jesus your blood didnt save anyone.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
There you go denying clear scripture again BF.

Propitiation is not salvation BF, that is why the bible tells us that Christ did that for the whole world.

You have to ignore words or change the meaning of words in order to fit your religion into the bible.
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Yes Propitiation is Salvation. Saved from the wrath of God, penalty of sin, and Jesus is your righteous advocate.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
How were they healed according to what Isaiah wrote here Isa 53:5

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

What does healed mean scripturally ?
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Remember BF Isaiah was writing from before Jesus and the cross. He did not know of crucifixion at all. And that someone would be raised from the dead would not have crossed his mind.

I do find it odd that you will go to the OT in the attempt to deny the NT.

From the perspective of Isaiah the atonement meant that the penalty for ones sins was removed. It brought man back into a right relationship with God. It did not mean salvation as you seem too think it does.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Faith is in Christ that He saved His People from their sins. But you dont believe that. How in the world do you believe in Christ, saying, Jesus your blood didnt save anyone.
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BF you are ignoring what I post and just arguing from your calvinism not from scripture.

The bible is clear that Christ saves those that freely trust in the risen Christ.

You claim to preach the word of God but you deny the word of God and preach your calvinism.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Remember BF Isaiah was writing from before Jesus and the cross. He did not know of crucifixion at all. And that someone would be raised from the dead would not have crossed his mind.

I do find it odd that you will go to the OT in the attempt to deny the NT.

From the perspective of Isaiah the atonement meant that the penalty for ones sins was removed. It brought man back into a right relationship with God. It did not mean salvation as you seem too think it does.
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Yes healed does mean salvation, and so does being in a right relationship with God. Thats being righteous or Justified.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
BF you are ignoring what I post and just arguing from your calvinism not from scripture.

The bible is clear that Christ saves those that freely trust in the risen Christ.

You claim to preach the word of God but you deny the word of God and preach your calvinism.
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You the one who said Christs Blood didnt save anyone. So what is your faith in Christ about ? Believers have Faith in His Blood Rom 3:25


Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Those whom Christ shed His Blood for and is their propitiation, they are given Faith in His Blood. So what is your faith in Christ ?
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Yes healed does mean salvation, and so does being in a right relationship with God. Thats being righteous or Justified.
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Which only comes about when we believe in God OT or trust in the risen Christ in the NT.

You continue to twist scripture just as the cults do BF. This is not a good look for someone that claims to preach the word of God.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
You the one who said Christs Blood didnt save anyone. So what is your faith in Christ about ? Believers have Faith in His Blood Rom 3:25


Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Those whom Christ shed His Blood for and is their propitiation, they are given Faith in His Blood. So what is your faith in Christ ?
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Rom 3:25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,

His death on the cross made man saveable, we are saved by the grace of God through faith.

That you continue to deny clear scripture makes me question what you really believe.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Which only comes about when we believe in God OT or trust in the risen Christ in the NT.

You continue to twist scripture just as the cults do BF. This is not a good look for someone that claims to preach the word of God.
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No, it came about when Christ died. Thats why a Person believes in Christ, He saved them first.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Rom 3:25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,

His death on the cross made man saveable, we are saved by the grace of God through faith.

That you continue to deny clear scripture makes me question what you really believe.
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Faith believes in His saving Blood, that He propitiated God for them with His Blood, but you deny His saving blood, so what in carnation is your faith in ?
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Faith believes in His saving Blood, that He propitiated God for them with His Blood, but you deny His saving blood, so what in carnation is your faith in ?
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The risen Christ just as the bible clearly shows us BF.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

So I have to ask you the same question BF, what do you believe in?
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
How in the world is someone under Gods wrath, and yet Gods wrath has been propitiated for their sins ? Do you know what propitiation even means ?
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I know what propitiation means but it is clear that you do not. That is rather shocking for someone that claims to preach the word of God.

G2434 propitiation
- Original: ἱλασμός
- Transliteration: Hilasmos
- Phonetic: hil-as-mos’
atoning sacrifice, sin offering

It is never used of any act whereby man brings God into a favorable attitude or gracious disposition. It is God who is "propitiated" by the vindication of His holy and righteous character, whereby through the provision He has made in the vicarious and expiatory sacrifice of Christ, He has so dealt with sin that He can show mercy to the believing sinner in the removal of his guilt and the remission of his sins. Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
That is your calvinism BF. That is not biblical.

That is why most Christians reject the man-made view.
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Thats what scripture says, and u reject it and scoff it calling it calvinism. Peter preached the same thing 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Being healed, the elect live unto righteousness, which means they live by Faith in the imputed righteousness of Christ. Thats what the healing death produces.
 
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