Wordly music or Christian Lyrics?

Ok, if I can get a post in sideways what with Deputydog trying to up his post count.. .

Let me say I agree with you to some extent.
That is one reason the song, Come Now is the time to worship is not one of my favorite.. If you look at the lyrics.. a Muslim could sing it..

Ok, back to the ranting and raving of deputydog.

 

There's the 2nd time

 

There's the 3rd time..
Come on, join in, this is fun.

 

too late I just did... trolls! ARRGH

 

But what is Christ's preference? We've seen the preferences of all the posters but so little in way of the BIBLE stating what God and Jesus prefer.

"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
John 4:24 NAS77
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John Wesley ~ We should worship him with the truly spiritual worship of faith, love, and holiness, animating all our tempers, thoughts, words, and actions.

Adam Clarke ~ A man worships God in spirit, when, under the influence of the Holy Ghost, he brings all his affections, appetites, and desires to the throne of God; and he worships him in truth, when every purpose and passion of his heart, and when every act of his religious worship, is guided and regulated by the word of God.

 

According to Security Officer's reasoning we should not use a piano in the church service. Nor should we use a sound system. Nor should we have a steeple. Nor should we have music printed on a copier, etc. Jesus had none of these things so I guess we shouldn't either. In reality Security Officer is saying that music should reflect whatever Security Officer determines is of the Lord. The rest of us do not have the freedom to determine that. After all, the repeated use of this same scripture verse demands that we agree.

 

You have been reported many times for personal attacks already. So tread lightly here. Ease up on your rhetoric, and debate like a gentleman.

You don't seem to have a good grasp of Scripture.
Have you considered all the cults around you--J.W.'s, Mormons, SDA's, etc., They all use the Word of God, and they use it extensively. For what purpose? To convict? No! To send people to Hell. If you believe what the J.W.'s believe you will not go to heaven you will go to hell, in spite of all the Scripture they use. That is a plain simple fact.

It is the Holy Spirit that convicts, and it is He that uses the Scripture to convict. Satan also uses the Bible. Always remember that.

Quoting this Scripture does nothing to prove a point concerning the OP.
It says nothing about the music of the OT.
It says nothing about the music of the NT.
It says nothing about our music of today.
It says nothing about music in heaven.
It says nothing about music at all.

Remember that Satan quoted Scripture when tempting Christ in the wilderness. He took it out of context. Each time however Christ answered him with Scripture.

Scripture, not used properly can destroy the person using it.

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
--Taking Scripture out of its context, twisting it, trying to make it fit your own paradigms can lead "to your own destruction."

Be sure that what you say is backed up by Scripture that is taken properly in its context.
A machine gun indiscriminately firing in the air without aim, is a total waste of time and energy.

 

OK. I move that we vote this guy off the island! Is there a second?

 

"OK. I move that we vote this guy off the island! Is there a second?":laugh: Survivor!

 

all quotes taken from the original post.

ok. just asking for a couple examples here.
is that ok?

here - i get your point - in that if the non-believers can't tell if it's christian - then you have a problem with it. understandable.
but there's nothing wrong with non-believers listening to christian music.

quick question - just to help clarify things in my head here.
if i was listening to CCM - then salvation takes place - what style of music am i to listen to?

well - if it's true that it started with CCM - i would have to say that CCM was not the only cause for this.

of what you've heard of CCM, securityofficer, what has it influenced in your life?

i would tend to agree with this statement.
then it leads to your definition of "music" - do you speak of the lyrics? or of the notes?

well... we can't really speak for God can we.
using the verse "the same yesterday, today and forever" - won't cut it here - because then you have to explain and give an example of music from thousands of years ago.
which, unless you time travel, none of us have.

so in all honesty - we can't even say that God likes the music.
can't say God doesn't like it either.

so we're at a stand still to use what God's given us in scripture to figure it all out.

but we sure can't go anywhere near putting words in God's mouth as something being an absolute.

to a point - i would agree with you.
i agree that many have possibly made a false profession - because of something. who knows what.

the whole emotion thing - i dont think i agree with that.

do you not think that it is possible for the Holy Spirit to get to people through heightening their emotions at any given time?

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now. heh.
i've been saying "i would" or "i dont think"

looks like i'm just going by what's in my head.
which i probably am right now.

i'm just raising a few questions - asking for answers is all.
i hope they're legitimate questions and not ones that those of you against CCM will get mad at.

thanks for your time.

gek.

 

It isn't that it's bad, it's just that it's not worship. I think what a lot of people forget is that praise and worship are not the same thing.

 

According to who...you?

 

Securityofficer...

If you were trying to make a point regarding modern music, you failed. You haven't managed to back any of your claims up Scripturally.

However, you have succeeded in showing that you are incapable of carrying on a debate in a mature manner. Just a friendly bit of advice: you're not helping your "cause" one bit.

Now...are you interested in discussion, or shall you continue with your temper tantrum?

 

Yes, my rude friend. According to me, according to the Biblical model, and according to the commonly accepted definitions of the words "praise" and worship.

 

Try reading more carefully.

I have not, nor have I ever, called you or anyone on this board "stupid."

Your point you made was completely devoid of reasoning. I was talking about your point being completely baseless. That was very plain and explicit in my post.

I cannot help the fact that you've come here looking (and wanting) to be offended. My experience has been that people who for some reason or another enjoy being offended, and live in that state...always manage to get their wish.

 

I'm rude? :laugh: Half of your posts come across in similar fashion. At least you admitted "yes" you define what worship is and that all of your views are shared by God. Congratulations on that!

Let's point out how wrong you are once again, though...

praise (prz)n.1. Expression of approval, commendation, or admiration.
2. The extolling or exaltation of a deity, ruler, or hero.
3. Archaic A reason for praise; merit.

tr.v. praised, prais·ing, prais·es 1. To express warm approbation of, commendation for, or admiration for.
2. To extol or exalt; worship

wor·ship (wûrshp)n.1. a. The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.
b. The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed.

2. Ardent devotion; adoration.
3. often

Worship Chiefly British Used as a form of address for magistrates, mayors, and certain other dignitaries: Your Worship.

v. wor·shiped or wor·shipped, wor·ship·ing or wor·ship·ping, wor·ships
v.tr.1. To honor and love as a deity.
2. To regard with ardent or adoring esteem or devotion. See Synonyms at revere1.

v.intr.1. To participate in religious rites of worship.
2. To perform an act of worship.

Wow...seems to be connected and intertwined in some way!

 

I won't debate this with you because your snide comments that "God shares all of your views" just shows that you really have no intent but to put others down, but simply stated, worship is the adoration of God for His inherent qualities. Praise is thanksgiving for what He has done.

I guess the reason you see me as being wrong is that you're getting your definition from the dictionary and I'm getting mine from the Bible.

 

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Telling me I get my definitions from the dictionary while yours are divinely implanted into you from God is a putdown in itself. I simply posted the dictionary definitions to get it into your head that words have meanings, and they do not disagree with Scripture's understanding of these phrases. I'm real tired of the "my view is God's view" tone of your posts, hence the sarcasm.

 

Praise and worship are not the same thing. He is correct.
Worship can encompass a variety of things, whereas praise is much more narrow. We worship God in our giving. But that is not praise. Only part of my prayer life is devoted to praise, not all of it. There is intercession, confession, petition, thanksgiving. If it were all praise, it would be a very shallow prayer life. Praise is only a small part of my prayer life, and a very small part of my worship.

 

I just noticed this: on the results of the poll, I don't see the originator of the poll anywhere. He didn't vote?? How odd...