Obamacare and Death With Dignity

[Aaron]

As a matter of fact I have. But that's irrelevant.

You've been accused of being consistently liberal, and true to that accusation you judged the morality of an issue by it's convenience. You all go ahead and murder your parents.

We Christians will love ours, and you'll imprison us for it.

 

[Revmitchell]

And the evil continues.

 

[OldRegular]

CTB

When I retired I calculated, with a friend, the value of money we had paid into Social Security and Medicare if it had earned at the S&P rate. It was between $4 and $500,000 dollars. Since that time the market increased by a factor of 4.5 at its peak and is now at about a factor of 3 higher. So you see if we had a private System, not the government Ponzi scheme, we could all be quite wealthy.

Again I answered all your questions in my post #40. You obviously cannot read or understand. Apparently your eyes are blinded by your leftist bias.

 

[Crabtownboy]

CTB

When I retired I calculated, with a friend, the value of money we had paid into Social Security and Medicare if it had earned at the S&P rate. It was between $4 and $500,000 dollars. Since that time the market increased by a factor of 4.5 at its peak and is now at about a factor of 3 higher. So you see if we had a private System, not the government Ponzi scheme, we could all be quite wealthy.

Again I answered all your questions in my post #40. You obviously cannot read or understand. Apparently your eyes are blinded by your leftist bias.

That is assuming that you were able to match the market in your investments. Few people are able to do so. Few people are willing to work at investment research. If you did, or could match or beat the market, good for you. That would be great. However, most people would not have invested and would have ended up with no money. Do some research and see who the elderly were living prior to SS.


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Originally Posted by Crabtownboy View Post
Are you afraid to die?

Old Regular wrote in reply:

Been there done that!

That is hardly an honest reply. Are you afraid to die?

 

[OldRegular]

CTB
I answered all your questions in my post #40. You obviously cannot read or understand. Apparently your eyes are blinded by your leftist bias.

CTB
I answered all your questions in my post #40. You obviously cannot read or understand. Apparently your eyes are blinded by your leftist bias.

 

[Crabtownboy]

CTB
I answered all your questions in my post #40. You obviously cannot read or understand. Apparently your eyes are blinded by your leftist bias.

Hiding behind you fears and refusing to answer. Oh, and hiding by attempting to insult. OK, we now know you are terrified by the idea of death. So no more about it. The answer is obvioius.

Have a blessed day.

 

[alatide]

I have, and I will. It is not your job to pay for my healthcare...nor I for yours.

I'm smart enough to not depend on the failed Ponzi scheme of Social Insecurity. I plan on refusing all medicaid, medicare, and government insurance. I'd rather have good healthcare, thanks.

I respect that stand. The problem is more and more employers don't offer retirement medical as a benefit. I know that my company stopped doing that in 2000. They offer a supplement to Medicare but that's it. If you're not wealthy how will you pay for your own health care?

 

[Crabtownboy]

RBell wrote: I'm smart enough to not depend on the failed Ponzi scheme of Social Insecurity. I plan on refusing all medicaid, medicare, and government insurance. I'd rather have good healthcare, thanks.

I understand your feeling but unless the law is changed when you turn 65 you will join Medicare. Unless you are a member of Congress or retired from the military and possibly retired government workers you do not have a choice in this matter.

You do not have to take social security. Everyone should plan their retirement years as if social security will not be available to them.

 

[OldRegular]

I understand your feeling but unless the law is changed when you turn 65 you will join Medicare. Unless you are a member of Congress or retired from the military and possibly retired government workers you do not have a choice in this matter.

You do not have to take social security. Everyone should plan their retirement years as if social security will not be available to them.

rbell
If Obamacare is passed you will receive counseling on the beauty of assisted suicide. Not just once but every 5 years. Of course under Obamacare's plan for rationing most won't survive until the Biblical three score and ten.

 

[Revmitchell]

And the evil population control is alive and well on this board.

 

[Crabtownboy]

rbell
If Obamacare is passed you will receive counseling on the beauty of assisted suicide. Not just once but every 5 years. Of course under Obamacare's plan for rationing most won't survive until the Biblical three score and ten.

Are you a prophet or just a fear monger?

 

[OldRegular]

Originally Posted by OldRegular
CTB
I answered all your questions in my post #40. You obviously cannot read or understand. Apparently your eyes are blinded by your leftist bias.

Hiding behind you fears and refusing to answer. Oh, and hiding by attempting to insult. OK, we now know you are terrified by the idea of death. So no more about it. The answer is obvioius.

Have a blessed day.]

CBT you do not tell the truth.

In Post #3 you introduced the issue of machines for life support, saying:

If I am terminal, suffering and being kept alive only by machines please pull the plug.

In post #21 you again introduced the issue of machines saying:

Where is your faith? Plugging in machines and keeping me alive is not allowing allowing God to pick his time for me to die.

In post #33 you again introduced the issue of machines saying:

I think you faith is in the machines else you would not want them used endlessly until the plug finally has to be pulled. Otherwise you would not insist on the machines being plugged in in an ultimately hopeless case.

I responded to the above accusations in Post#40 saying:

YOU LISTEN CTB! It was you who dragged in the machines not me.

In Post#40 I also responded to a series of comments that you made in Post#33. Some of the responses were apparently beyond your ability to comprehend so you have continued your endless diatribe.

I will say again that you do not tell the truth.

 

[LeBuick]

Wow! Creating a false either or scenario so as to justify Obamacare is sick, evil, ungodly and disgusting. Just pure evil. Did I say it is pure evil? Because it is clearly purely evil.:BangHead:

Evil??? How do you come to that?

One of the toughest questions being asked today in health care is when does it not make sense to treat a patient. Do we put a pace maker in a 95 YO patient with cancer? How long do we leave someone in a comma on life support? The reality is it will cost more if we want to insert the pace maker or leave people indefinitely on life support. End of life care is a serious issue here and now.

Obama's grandmother with cancer broke her hip so he has some first hand experience with this situation. The insurers didn't replace her hip. Before you ask, I have no opinion on did they do the right thing or not. That is not why I brought that up.

Currently these decisions are being made by the insurance companies executives who are profit driven. I don't like that any more than I like the bureaucrats in DC making these decisions. If I have insurance from your company and have my premiums paid to date, how is it you can drop me when I get sick? These are serious concerns and situations where the free market fails the society.

So I believe the GOP has a valid point when they speak of rationing health care but I believe the facts regarding rationing are too complex and shouldn't be used in this manner. America overwhelmingly (71%) want reform and it would be nice if the GOP would let the 71% openly discuss these challenges facing our society without the fear of being assigned a dirty name (socialist etc...) for having an idea. That is non-productive when it comes to solving our problems.

We all know it takes less courage to say NO and try to ignore our problems than to admit we have challenges and be willing to sit at the table of discussion with an open mind and beneficial suggestions and work to solve them.

 

[OldRegular]

Where did you get the 71% and just how is the GOP preventing open discussion of "these challenges"?

 

[LeBuick]

Where did you get the 71% and just how is the GOP preventing open discussion of "these challenges"?

Here... Sorry, it was 72% so I stand corrected.

GOP is preventing open discussion by making a sin or or assigning a bad label to everything someone publicly says. Like the great Senator said, their sole aim is to stop Obama from succeeding and they can careless what that means to people in need.

 

[targus]

Here... Sorry, it was 72% so I stand corrected.

GOP is preventing open discussion by making a sin or or assigning a bad label to everything someone publicly says. Like the great Senator said, their sole aim is to stop Obama from succeeding and they can careless what that means to people in need.

Well, abortion is a sin - and that sure doesn't slow down the democrats or their Christian supporters. Why do you think that what others call Obamcare makes a difference?

 

[Revmitchell]

So where is the actual poll? No link was provided to the poll only a claim tot he poll.

 

[LeBuick]

Well, abortion is a sin - and that sure doesn't slow down the democrats or their Christian supporters. Why do you think that what others call Obamcare makes a difference?

Only if you make it a sin. There is no law in the Bible that says, "thou shalt not have an abortion". And because there is no such law, you are stating your belief and not a biblical fact.

Secondly, no one has mandated abortions in the legislation. That I know of??? Did you find it mandated?

 

[LeBuick]

So where is the actual poll? No link was provided to the poll only a claim tot he poll.

Only place I could find it was here

 

[blackbird]

Only if you make it a sin. There is no law in the Bible that says, "thou shalt not have an abortion". And because there is no such law, you are stating your belief and not a biblical fact.

Secondly, no one has mandated abortions in the legislation. That I know of??? Did you find it mandated?

Thou shalt not kill

Exodus 20:13-----------IS a Biblical fact!!!!!!

Mandated murder and voluntary murder is still what?????

Murder