Magnetic Poles
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What an insult! You don't think that people in nursing homes or who suffer with Alzheimers have value? Shame on you!
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Why Prey On The Innocent
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windcatcher
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Preying on the innocent?
Babies and the imbecile is the only 'innocent' I'm aware of.
Seniors..... (just how 'old' is that?) are experienced, knowledgeable, elders. The Bible speaks of respect and honor for the aged. Their opinions and their alarms should be of concern to all of us. While they've lived their life and have their own concerns..... many are actually and actively involved in concerns for the future of their children and grandchildren.
And people who put down their expressed concerns do so at the peril of their own future and those who will come after.
As for babies....... there is no doubt as its been published that the intent of the presidents health plan is to make abortion available and affordable for all without question or limitation. How evil to participate or promote an instrument which will inihilate future generations.
But, then, the devil hated man since the garden..... as only man was made in the image of God and devil will not be happy unless he can destroy the wondrous creation which God made 'a little lower than the angels'.
Babies and the imbecile is the only 'innocent' I'm aware of.
Seniors..... (just how 'old' is that?) are experienced, knowledgeable, elders. The Bible speaks of respect and honor for the aged. Their opinions and their alarms should be of concern to all of us. While they've lived their life and have their own concerns..... many are actually and actively involved in concerns for the future of their children and grandchildren.
And people who put down their expressed concerns do so at the peril of their own future and those who will come after.
As for babies....... there is no doubt as its been published that the intent of the presidents health plan is to make abortion available and affordable for all without question or limitation. How evil to participate or promote an instrument which will inihilate future generations.
But, then, the devil hated man since the garden..... as only man was made in the image of God and devil will not be happy unless he can destroy the wondrous creation which God made 'a little lower than the angels'.
She did not say anything resembling that, it appears you read her post in haste and accidentally misinterpreted it. You may want to go back and reread it.
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I found the article in the Wall Street Journal. These cuts are a part of the restructuring effort. For instance:
In addition, the president is proposing to reduce subsidies for hospitals that care for the uninsured as the number of uninsured falls. That would generate $106 billion over a decade, the White House said. Payments would be slowed beginning in 2013. By 2019, payments would be 25% of what hospitals had received in 2013, updated for inflation.
"If more Americans are insured, we can cut payments that help hospitals treat patients without health insurance," the president said.
Much of the opposition are the vested interest groups who benefit from the status quo. Here's an example:
"We are disappointed to see cuts of this magnitude to hospitals, especially in these tough economic times," said Alicia Mitchell, a spokeswoman for the American Hospital Association, the industry's main trade group.
I think hospitals are one of the biggest sources of waste in our health care system today.
In addition, the president is proposing to reduce subsidies for hospitals that care for the uninsured as the number of uninsured falls. That would generate $106 billion over a decade, the White House said. Payments would be slowed beginning in 2013. By 2019, payments would be 25% of what hospitals had received in 2013, updated for inflation.
"If more Americans are insured, we can cut payments that help hospitals treat patients without health insurance," the president said.
Much of the opposition are the vested interest groups who benefit from the status quo. Here's an example:
"We are disappointed to see cuts of this magnitude to hospitals, especially in these tough economic times," said Alicia Mitchell, a spokeswoman for the American Hospital Association, the industry's main trade group.
I think hospitals are one of the biggest sources of waste in our health care system today.
windcatcher
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Are you just trying to pick a bone where there is none?
Shame on you..... MP...... you're brighter than that (I hope).
Nevertheless I'll indulge your act of stupidity.... and explain:
Seniors with alzheimers and in nursing homes have value..... Few of these are able to follow what's going on, have limited access to media.... and most get what little they do know by word of mouth and scuttlebutt overheard.... or when subjected to propaganda when an election triggers a social worker or 'advocate' showing up with a absentee ballot for them to sign. (I saw plenty of this during my work in a mental rehab hospital.)
But these are not the seniors showing up at these meetings, and voicing their opinions and concerns and expressing alarm. And it is these seniors who are being insulted.
windcatcher
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The silence of the American Medical Association and the Health Insurance Industry is deafening! Could it be that they've already been bought off with promises that there's something in it for them?
Obama attacks insurers
In Raleigh visit, the president seeks to rally support for his top domestic priority.
http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/1626931.html
Obama said at Raleigh's Broughton High School that his plan would prevent insurance companies from denying coverage because of pre-existing conditions or doubling people's premiums over the next decade.
"The truth is, we have a system today that works well for the insurance industry," Obama said, "but it doesn't always work well for you. So what we need, and what we will have when we pass these reforms, are health-insurance consumer protections to make sure that those who have insurance are treated fairly and insurance companies are held accountable."
That drew a quick reaction from Bob Greczyn, CEO of Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina, the state's largest insurer.
"It was disappointing that President Obama used so much of his time in North Carolina bashing insurance companies," Greczyn said in a statement. "We don't believe a government-run plan is necessary to achieve the reform Americans need."
And so the government is going to clean things up?
That's like saying, "Kids, I don't want you swimming in that pond. It's not very safe. Let's swim here at the sewage treatment plant instead."
I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of our democracy. What form of government would you rather have? Oh, I guess it's a theocracy like Iran.
Magnetic Poles
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Sadly, today's so-called "conservatives" hate our government.
We hate unconsitutional federal intrusion. It is important to make that distinction.
Magnetic Poles
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So did Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols.
Magnetic Poles said:
Not a question of "hate." It's a question of loving freedom, and being watchful of those who would encroach upon it. Sometimes, they come in the guise of conservative politicians (see "George W. Bush"). Other times, they come in liberal packages (see "Obama" or "Congressional Democrats").
Pssst...we're not a democracy.
Actually, we have a great country, even with it's flaws.
I mean, what other country on earth could someone with as many comprehension problems as you seem to have with this subject be so well-treated?
Seriously...I value freedom and self-sufficiency. Forgive my arrogance...but citizens like me make it easy on a country. We will take care of ourselves, and do not need to be babied. We also will be benevolent to others, and do not need Big Brother's gun to our heads, telling us to "help people." Folks like me understand the concept of personal responsibility...that it's my job to take care of me. And not only am I doing that now...but I am making plans to have it done in the future (such as long-term care insurance, and retirement that does NOT Count on Social inSecurity being solvent).
But, it's easier for folks like you, "enlightened" people, "progressive" people, people who "understand things better," to make fun of folks like me.
Fine. Go ahead.
I'll just keep on taking care of myself, and not costing your grandchildren their inheritance...while you sing the praises of the very system that will one day impoverish them.
So did George Washington and all the other founding Fathers.
You hated intrusion when a republican was in charge. Now you don't seem to mind it.
Kinda fickle, aint it ?
Robert Snow
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This is the crux of the problem. We now have a group of so-called Christians who are more interested in protecting their wealth than is doing what Christ commanded. They are more akin to militia groups than to Christian churches. I know, I used to attend one of these groups.
Why is there necessarily a conflict between protecting ones wealth and helping those in need?
I have asked this question several times on this board but have yet to receive an answer - Why is it necessary to take away our current health care system in order to provide for those without insurance?
What exactly is the problem with developing targeted solutions for groups of persons without insurance depending on the particular reason that they are lacking insurance - without infringing on the rights of those who are currently satisfied with their personal situation?
I'd say it's more like lazy, squanderous Christians, who have not been responsible, and now want everything for free. The parable of the virgins, in Matthew 25 describes their mentality.
Magnetic Poles
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Self sufficiency is great as far as it goes. Not all are able to be self sufficient. Even those of you with perfectly great health insurance can be denied coverage at any time, even in the midst of cancer treatment. They system is seriously broken and it will only get worse. Time to take the obscene profits out of the equation and start using the money to provide healthcare to all.
And another thing...do you guys realize that American jobs are outsourced not only to countries with cheap labor. They also are offshored to other countries where the government provides health insurance to all residents. This is a cost of insurance the employers have to bear here, that they don't if they send jobs to other countries. But of course, neocon myopia can't see that point either.
I'll make a bet with you.
Show me where I have propagated that mindset. Even in the very post above, I mentioned taking care of others. How do you people keep missing stuff that's right in front of you?
The wager: Show me how I've done what you've charged, and I'll leave the BB.
If you can't, then why don't you try using qualifiers, and quit overgeneralizing?