David Michael Harris
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Please excuse my ignorance. What is CCM? I will not Google it. 
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David Michael Harris
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Thank you.
I quite like some Paul Wilbur stuff. Though some don't like his apparent theology?
Also I cannot stand when so called Christians try to copy worldly stuff like rap and rock.
Amy Grant did a few nice tunes too.
I quite like some Paul Wilbur stuff. Though some don't like his apparent theology?
Also I cannot stand when so called Christians try to copy worldly stuff like rap and rock.
Amy Grant did a few nice tunes too.
Well, here's the rub. Just about every form of Christian music we have today used a style of music which was, at the time, considered worldly. Classical and Baroque hymns are typical examples. The Baroque and Classical styles were, in their day, considered quite worldly and often inappropriate for the public ear.
Case in point, the tune for "What Child is This" is "Greensleeves", which is an old English folk tune in a sexually romantic style. It was quite worldly at the time. Yet today, it's a common Christmas tune sung in churches.
Case in point, the tune for "What Child is This" is "Greensleeves", which is an old English folk tune in a sexually romantic style. It was quite worldly at the time. Yet today, it's a common Christmas tune sung in churches.
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David Michael Harris
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Well I give up then. Plymouth Brethren here I come.
Maybe even a monastery.
I guess we just have to overcome this world, and that by our faith.
I even like a lot of Toronto blessing tunes!
I wish to learn Greensleeves on my acoustic, nice tune.
Do you not find life argumentative and hostile.
Maybe even a monastery.
I guess we just have to overcome this world, and that by our faith.
I even like a lot of Toronto blessing tunes!
I wish to learn Greensleeves on my acoustic, nice tune.
Do you not find life argumentative and hostile.
David Michael Harris
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Nope. That's a comment on an issue raised in a post by Repent or Burn.
A statement in passing. My argument thus far has been about carnal and spiritual emotions.
Wrong again. CCM is a term coined to describe Christian music in the style of jazz, rock or pop. It is often manipulated to mean just about anything.
Okay, so let's find out where you stand?
Do you believe CCM with a rock-style beat is inappropriate for use in the church?
Do you believe CCM which is emotional in nature is inappropriate for use in the church?
Sorry, your'e wrong. CCM isn't limited to jazz or rock. And as far as "pop" that's a genre that simply referrs to "popular" music. It isn't a music style like jass or rock are. A jazz piece can be a pop piece. A rock piece can be a pop piece.
Again, CCM is a broad term which refers to numerous genres of music used in Christianity, from roughly the late 20th century to today.
Wrong again.
Over simplistic and revisionist. These styles were not considered inappropriate for the public ear, or even carnal. They were not employed in the church because it would violate the Scriptural mandate for simplicity and prohibition of exhibitionism.
Where do you get this tripe?
No one heard of CCM until the advent of Christian Rock, and that's what the term was coined to describe. Look for the term prior to the '60's. You won't find it.
Wrong question. All music is emotional.
Dude, do you even know how to read music?
The tripe is yours. You're displaying a fair amount of ignorance on the subject of music history. You might want to consider taking a worship music class at a local bible college, or even a music appreciation class at your local community college. I teach music to jr high kids and high schoolers.
which doesn't change the fact that CCM is defined as a broad term which refers to numerous genres of music used in Christianity.
Answer the question. Do you believe CCM which is emotional in nature is inappropriate for use in the church?
Heck, why not just answer the question in general: Do you believe CCM is inappropriate for use in the church?
Yes it is. I've read accounts of villification of polyphonic singing.
You brought a knife to a gun fight. Start citing your evidence. It's been a while since I've been active in this forum. You're gonna be fun . . . Dude.
I'd like to see his answer to this too!
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Well, y'all can fight about what is or is not acceptable by your own standards. I don't have a horse in that race. My worship is between My Lord and Savior and myself. I don't need anyone to approve of it.
I walked away from legalism a long time ago, but I still remember the stench of it. Most of what I read from those opposing CCM reeks of legalism, pure and simple. Let God be the judge of the worship given to Him.
I walked away from legalism a long time ago, but I still remember the stench of it. Most of what I read from those opposing CCM reeks of legalism, pure and simple. Let God be the judge of the worship given to Him.
You must be imagining, (especially that "trumping" part) because the last several times we had this discussion, you just dodged it all the way, with the "flesh" card. You can ask anyone here, I'm sure they all remember.
I don't remember anything about "experts from my own race", and if that did occur, it was so long ago, and I would have answered it anyway. Yes, some have been brainwashed into hating their own culture.
Or, maybe you're referring to Little Richard and other secular musicians talking about the beat. Yeah; that's probably what you're thinking of, IIRC. And I answered that with a scripture showing that to the impure, it is impure, but you can't accuse everyone else who happens to use a similar beat of being impure.
I'm not wresting scriptures; you are, because they are not teaching what you are presuming them to. There is not one verse that says that your kind of music is what is compatible with the truth of the nature of God, the nature of man and the nature of the Atonement. You could never produce a single scripture that says that hymns are compatible with the nature of God, and contemporary isn't. You want to bring the nature of God into it, that is serious business, and you need to back it up with solid scripture, not "connect-the-dots". (Much like the SDA "proof" of the sabbath from Rev.14:7) You just take an isolated scripture, and read all of this stuff into it, based on what some stoned out rock musician once said, or some skewed "study" that was itself misinterpreted.
Now read these sites, and THEN tell me who's playing the "race card"! www.[URL="http://www.brothermike.com/study.html"]brothermike.com[/URL] www.[URL="http://www.paulsonmusic.com/index.html"]Touchet1611.org or www.paulsonmusic.com[/URL]
All I'm doing is answering this stuff, which has never been repented of by old-liners (who are too busy trying to control everyone else), and is just cleverly buried in the teaching.
The whole "revisionist" charge is just something thrown out to those who tell the truth about their romanticized portrayal of the past, when culture and music was so "good". (Just like in history and politics debates, and it's all related). It' looks like "revision" to you, because you've already revised the truth!
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