The one God inspired that is referred to in 2 Tim 3:16.
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The Archangel
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And that would be????
Hebrew Aramaic and Greek texts. You know, the inerrant ones.
Tiptoe through the window
By the window, that is where I'll be
Come tiptoe through the tulips with me
Oh, tiptoe from the garden
By the garden of the willow tree
And tiptoe through the tulips with me
Knee deep in flowers we'll stray
We'll keep the showers away
And if I kiss you in the garden, in the moonlight
Will you pardon me?
And tiptoe through the tulips with me
By the window, that is where I'll be
Come tiptoe through the tulips with me
Oh, tiptoe from the garden
By the garden of the willow tree
And tiptoe through the tulips with me
Knee deep in flowers we'll stray
We'll keep the showers away
And if I kiss you in the garden, in the moonlight
Will you pardon me?
And tiptoe through the tulips with me
There is a lot of confusion on how to deal with Saul and interpret his life. Here are the two most common I read.
1. He started out as a good king, but went bad.
2. They will interpret Saul's life alot like a Greek tragedy. The moral hero with a fatal flaw (in Saul's case, jealousy and pride).
Personally, I think Saul was an dismal failure from the very beginning. There was never any point that he was a good king or a man of God.
This is evident from the following clues from I Sm.
1. Numerous connections to the book of Judges.
His death is very similar to Abimelech (Jd. 9.50-57; 1 Sm. 31.3-6
He made a rash vow that endandered his child. (just like Jepthah, Jd. 11)
Saul was a Benjamite (see Jd. 20-21) and annointed at Mizpah (Jd. 20.1) (This is akin to saying, "You want a king like the other nations, I'm giving you one from the bottom of the heap!"
Saul was afraid to go into battle (1 Sm. 17), just like Barak and Gideon.
These are all like flashing red lights... (danger!!) In other words, Saul's reign is just another continuation of the horrible ministry of the judges.
2. Saul's own character
When they wanted to annoint him, he was hiding among the baggage. (This is not humility. This is a man who has bitten off more than he can chew. )
So the fact that Saul is being rejected as king and falling under judgment poses no problem to a Reformed minded individual. As far as Saul losing the Spirit of the Lord, the Spirit's ministry in Saul was to prepare him for leadership and battle in some cases. As Saul rejected the Lord, this ministry departed. It is unlikely that Saul experienced regeneration in the NT sense. (Notice 1 Sam. 15.15 - "...the Lord YOUR God...")
1. He started out as a good king, but went bad.
2. They will interpret Saul's life alot like a Greek tragedy. The moral hero with a fatal flaw (in Saul's case, jealousy and pride).
Personally, I think Saul was an dismal failure from the very beginning. There was never any point that he was a good king or a man of God.
This is evident from the following clues from I Sm.
1. Numerous connections to the book of Judges.
His death is very similar to Abimelech (Jd. 9.50-57; 1 Sm. 31.3-6
He made a rash vow that endandered his child. (just like Jepthah, Jd. 11)
Saul was a Benjamite (see Jd. 20-21) and annointed at Mizpah (Jd. 20.1) (This is akin to saying, "You want a king like the other nations, I'm giving you one from the bottom of the heap!"
Saul was afraid to go into battle (1 Sm. 17), just like Barak and Gideon.
These are all like flashing red lights... (danger!!) In other words, Saul's reign is just another continuation of the horrible ministry of the judges.
2. Saul's own character
When they wanted to annoint him, he was hiding among the baggage. (This is not humility. This is a man who has bitten off more than he can chew. )
So the fact that Saul is being rejected as king and falling under judgment poses no problem to a Reformed minded individual. As far as Saul losing the Spirit of the Lord, the Spirit's ministry in Saul was to prepare him for leadership and battle in some cases. As Saul rejected the Lord, this ministry departed. It is unlikely that Saul experienced regeneration in the NT sense. (Notice 1 Sam. 15.15 - "...the Lord YOUR God...")
These points represent your position on Scriptural doctrines. You don't get to say- I believe the Bible not one of these.
That's like saying- I believe the bible not in God's omniscience.
That God is omniscient is a position on what the Scripture teaches about the knowledge of God.
You either believe that man is totally depraved or not totally depraved.
You either believe that God elects men based on no condition or unconditionally.
You either believe the atonement is limited or not limited.
You either believe grace can be resisted or not resisted.
You either believe that God causes all the regenerate to persevere or you do not.
Saying- I believe the BIBLE!- is a cop out.
If you say that believing the Bible is a cop out then give us the accurate interpretation of 1 Samuel 16:14-16 and show us how believing the Bible is a cop out.
If you say believing the Bible is a cop put then tell us about those who are living for Jesus Christ because of your life by how you have applied James 1:22, Mt. 4:19, Mt. 5:19 and Mt. 28:19, 20.
I actually disagree with you on this one. I know people who say, "I believe the Bible..." but will deny major tenants of the Bible. Saying it is a cop-out because it does not prove you (1) have the proper interpretation or (2) you live out your doctrine.
So, a Mormon and a Jehovah's Witness all say the reason they disagree with us is because "they believe the Bible." I disagree, I do not think they believe the Bible. The issue comes down to interpretation and discussing what the Bible actually says.
I am not sure one could live correct doctrine while believing false doctrine.
Heb. 13:7 and James 1:22.
ReformedBaptist
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That's just downright creepy.
quantumfaith
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Jim:
Again with a humble spirit and respect for you as a brother in Christ, I take no issue with anything you have stated. IMHO, the "reformers" and "non-reformers" seem to misunderstand one another with respect to God's absolute soveriegnty. I think VERY few, even ardent arminian adherents would disagree with you about HIS absolute soveriengty. I think, JMO, that the difference becomes one in which how each "interprets" how God expresses His absolute soveriegnty.
Mercy, Peace and Love in abundance.
I am waiting for some calvinists to directly address scripture instead of trying to bend people like a sunflower to their pet theology. I have yet to see one address the passage in 1 Sam 16:14-16. I have not found any calvinist yet where their theology of evil does not conflict with what that passage teaches. So I am waiting for the first calvinist to "step up to the plate" and interpret that passage in light of their theology of God.
Those were lyrics from a song written in 1926. Every time I hear about tulips, it reminds me of where my family lives and that song.
psalms109:31
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I can believe in the five points until the words of Jesus is preached which is Spirit and life then anyone can come; It is those who listen and learn from the Father through Jesus words are the one who will come and following a crowd is not being drawn by the Father
John 6:43"Stop grumbling among yourselves," Jesus answered. 44"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.'[Isaiah 54:13] Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.
Luke 10:21
At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.
1 Corinthians 1:
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."[Isaiah 29:14]
When a sovereign king say's something will happen and it doesn't he isn't sovereign.
When God says when you trust or believe in Jesus you will be saved or not and be condemned you better believe God because He is sovereign.
Romans 10:11
As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
1 Peter 2:6
For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
Romans 4:
4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
John 6:43"Stop grumbling among yourselves," Jesus answered. 44"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.'[Isaiah 54:13] Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.
Luke 10:21
At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.
1 Corinthians 1:
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."[Isaiah 29:14]
When a sovereign king say's something will happen and it doesn't he isn't sovereign.
When God says when you trust or believe in Jesus you will be saved or not and be condemned you better believe God because He is sovereign.
Romans 10:11
As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
1 Peter 2:6
For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
Romans 4:
4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
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No Arminians believe there is a small island of righteousness within man "untainted" that can choose God.
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I agree... that is why I am reformed. I believe God is completely Sovereign just like the Bible says.
psalms109:31
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Washing of the word
Through the washing of the word any one can do what Christ is asking man, but rejecting Christ and His word which is Spirit and life, they return to the same state. His word gives us the ability to do what His word ask to believe, trust in Him and be saved or not and be condemned. Who can save me from this body of death praise be to Jesus. Without Jesus and His word we can do nothing for there is no Spirit or life within us without Christ and His word.
John 15:
5"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. 8This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
Through the washing of the word any one can do what Christ is asking man, but rejecting Christ and His word which is Spirit and life, they return to the same state. His word gives us the ability to do what His word ask to believe, trust in Him and be saved or not and be condemned. Who can save me from this body of death praise be to Jesus. Without Jesus and His word we can do nothing for there is no Spirit or life within us without Christ and His word.
John 15:
5"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. 8This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
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I hope you are more than just a reformed convert but rather one who is regenerated and renewed by the Holy Spirit.
Note from Moderator: I have had a complaint that gb has been a little too harsh (not exact words) here. I have known gb for a long time and he is definitely NOT questioning anybody's salvation which is about the only rule I could find it might relate to. In that case I shall leave it standing and unless another moderator/admin. thinks it needs to be changed--feel free to do so. I do not think that gb is being too harsh here, I think he is trying to express the care and need for salvation for everybody who reads this thread. For now, I leave it at that.
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