Sorcery & Games

[dwmoeller1]

As I said, I understand all of that...

What I want to know right now, is what "is" the definition of sorcery, etc.? The correct one, and why do you think it's correct?

What do you mean by "correct" one? There are many different definitions, all of them "correct" in one sense or another. And how will you be able to determine if the game fits what you determine is the "correct" definition.

 

[matt wade]

Okay, what about blasphemy? It's just a game, right?

How is blasphemy just a game? You aren't making any sense.

I also deny that statement. There are games out there that are pornographic, but involve no REAL humans and therefore no "real" sex.

Pornography is defined as:

Pornography or porn is the portrayal of explicit sexual subject matter for the purposes of sexual excitement and erotic satisfaction.

I don't care if you use cartoon characters or real live human beings, as I stated porn is porn...there is no "fake porn".

 

[matt wade]

DW,

I've been in the IFB for a stretch. They are pharisees. Gambling is a sin, rock music is a sin, yoga (without meditation!) is a sin, etc. Does the Bible say that? no. Was I tempted to think they were a sin, until I researched it myself? yes. (Note, I quit the IFB 2 weeks ago. May I never go back.)

Is it always the case that the knowledge will prevent violation of your conscience? No.

You have more problems you need to worry about than this game. You were "in the IFB"? You realize that the I stands for independent, right? You know that means you weren't "in" anything other than a single local chuch, right?

 

[Repent-or-Burn]

You have more problems you need to worry about than this game. You were "in the IFB"? You realize that the I stands for independent, right? You know that means you weren't "in" anything other than a single local chuch, right?

Relevance, or importance?
How is it a bigger problem than playing the game, as to how I define being "in" the IFB?

 

[Repent-or-Burn]

How is blasphemy just a game? You aren't making any sense.

Blasphemy.. in a game...............

 

[annsni]

You have more problems you need to worry about than this game. You were "in the IFB"? You realize that the I stands for independent, right? You know that means you weren't "in" anything other than a single local chuch, right?

I see him saying that he was in that mindset that the IFBs have of some very strong legalism and he's now beginning to figure out what he has heard is right or not. No more "NO. Period" but he's figuring out "No - and here is why" or if even the "no" was the right answer.

 

[matt wade]

I see him saying that he was in that mindset that the IFBs have of some very strong legalism and he's now beginning to figure out what he has heard is right or not. No more "NO. Period" but he's figuring out "No - and here is why" or if even the "no" was the right answer.

No...he's already made an opinion on it. He said:

I've been in the IFB for a stretch. They are pharisees.

He has labeled everyone at an IFB church a pharisee.

 

[matt wade]

Blasphemy.. in a game...............

Blasphemy is blasphemy...there's no getting around that whether it is in a game, movie, or anything else. If you blaspheme God in a game, your are guilty of blasphemy.

When you are playing a game and cast a spell at an bad guy, are you really being a sorcerer? Are you calling upon evil powers to help you click the button to cast the spell? If so, then you need to quit the game. If not, then you need to realize it is a game and you aren't really casting spells or calling upon evil forces.

 

[matt wade]

Relevance, or importance?
How is it a bigger problem than playing the game, as to how I define being "in" the IFB?

You brought it up....so you tell me the relevance or importance?

The point I was making is that if you believe everyone in an IFB church is a pharisee, then you need to stop worrying about whether to play a game or not and examine your heart.

 

[Repent-or-Burn]

No...he's already made an opinion on it. He said:



He has labeled everyone at an IFB church a pharisee.

:BangHead::BangHead::BangHead::BangHead:

Clearly I meant as a whole, not "every" single member. You're taking my words out of common usage. Such as if I say it's "that was as easy as cake," what do I really mean?
And I do not know every single person in the IFB, so how could I say that? Come on...

 

[annsni]

No...he's already made an opinion on it. He said:



He has labeled everyone at an IFB church a pharisee.

Yes, and that was his experience. So what of it?

 

[matt wade]

:BangHead::BangHead::BangHead::BangHead:

Clearly I meant as a whole, not "every" single member. You're taking my words out of common usage. Such as if I say it's "that was as easy as cake," what do I really mean?
And I do not know every single person in the IFB, so how could I say that? Come on...

The IFB movement as a whole are not pharisees either. When you make statements like that you slander an entire group of people, without cause to do so.

 

[Repent-or-Burn]

You brought it up....so you tell me the relevance or importance?

The point I was making is that if you believe everyone in an IFB church is a pharisee, then you need to stop worrying about whether to play a game or not and examine your heart.

I don't know what your goal is, Matt.. but I'm not going to 'play this game' with you any further. TBH I think you're trolling.


So, anyone else have info to add?

 

[matt wade]

Yes, and that was his experience. So what of it?

Would you like me to slander an entire group of people that you are a part of? What if I said baptist churches that remove baptist from their name are pharisees. Would you enjoy that?

 

[Repent-or-Burn]

I see him saying that he was in that mindset that the IFBs have of some very strong legalism and he's now beginning to figure out what he has heard is right or not. No more "NO. Period" but he's figuring out "No - and here is why" or if even the "no" was the right answer.

It's tough at times. I doubt things that I know I shouldn't doubt.... Logically I know that I know they're wrong, yet my conscience makes me wonder.

I've even doubted if I should do something, while at the same time doubting if I shouldn't! Not to say it's all their fault, but they had a strong influence in this regard.

Like with the King James Bible... Many in the IFB say it's perfect, inspire, preserved, etc. and we shouldn't translate from the originals or the kjv, to a new language. We should make other people learn our language. I know in all logical reason and even in scripture, that this is wrong, but yet I may doubt if we should translate, in my conscience.. But the bigger part of my conscience says we should translate - and from the greek/hebrew, NOT from english.

Or whether I should 'ever' marry.. or whether I should pursue a girl I was interested in at one point.. Doubts, doubts.

 

[matt wade]

I don't know what your goal is, Matt.. but I'm not going to 'play this game' with you any further. TBH I think you're trolling.

I've been addressing your original post from the beginning. You are the one that went off topic to slander IFB churches, not me, and yet I'm the troll? Interesting...

If you'd like to talk about it, then by all means respond to my posts about the original topic. I've clearly explained in post #28 why i don't feel that it is sorcery to play a game.

 

[annsni]

Would you like me to slander an entire group of people that you are a part of? What if I said baptist churches that remove baptist from their name are pharisees. Would you enjoy that?

I would just disagree. That's all.

 

[annsni]

It's tough at times. I doubt things that I know I shouldn't doubt.... Logically I know that I know they're wrong, yet my conscience makes me wonder.

I've even doubted if I should do something, while at the same time doubting if I shouldn't! Not to say it's all their fault, but they had a strong influence in this regard.

Like with the King James Bible... Many in the IFB say it's perfect, inspire, preserved, etc. and we shouldn't translate from the originals or the kjv, to a new language. We should make other people learn our language. I know in all logical reason and even in scripture, that this is wrong, but yet I may doubt if we should translate, in my conscience.. But the bigger part of my conscience says we should translate - and from the greek/hebrew, NOT from english.

Or whether I should 'ever' marry.. or whether I should pursue a girl I was interested in at one point.. Doubts, doubts.

Brother, my counsel to you would be this:

* Rest in Jesus Christ and His blood. There is redemption at the cross - not condemnation.

* Spend a lot of time in prayer asking the Spirit to help you figure out what's truth. Interestingly enough, I just watched a video from Mark Driscoll where he addresses praying to the Spirit. Know that if you ask for wisdom and peace, He WILL give it to you.

* Begin to study God's Word on these topics. it's OK to look at outside sources but go to the Source first. See what Scripture truly says.

* See if you can find a godly man who has a strong walk with the Lord who can maybe disciple you through this time of storm.

I will be praying for you brother. It's so hard when the foundation that we built our lives on is not as strong as we once thought and we need to begin to replace it with the truth. But God will bring you through this.

 

[annsni]

Oh - one other thing. Right now, don't go by your conscience. Because of things you have been taught, it might have been hardened by some things and softened to others - or you have decided what was hardened is going to be ripped out right now. Again, stick with the Word and the Spirit.

 

[Repent-or-Burn]

"or you have decided what was hardened is going to be ripped out right now."

what?