Onlybygrace
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What real Biblical proof is there for the trinity as we believe it? I do believe that t is necessary for us to believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit ARE all God but is it necessary for us to know HOW they are all God?
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Is a Baptist view of the Trinity the only correct view?
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"Great is the mystery of godliness..." Immanuel--God with us. Jesus told the Jewish Sanhedrin He was: "I AM THAT I AM". This statement initiated the charge of blasphemy: he makes himself to be God. Jesus is either I AM or He is not. This makes at least two persons in God. Going to Jesus' baptism, we find a third person, the Holy Spirit, descending; now there are three--all God, not gods.
Man has had problems with Trinity ever since Jesus was on trial. The Jews still reject it. The Watchtower tries to translate the teaching out of the scripture.
There is no physical way to demonstrate trinity. It is a supernatural fact. It cannot be demonstrated in a test tube. The triple point of water might be somewhat analogous: bring water to a boil, add ice--for a moment you have water as a liquid, solid and gas. This really falls short of the nature of the True and Living God. He is really quite separate from His creation. That is the problem man has with God: God is potter, man is clay.
God is--that makes man accountable--God. Man does not like that--he wants to be accountable to himself--so he surrounds himself with the religion of self. We live in a very narcissistic world. Satan is a narcissist.
He has many followers--some of them packing bibles.
Selah,
Bro. James
Man has had problems with Trinity ever since Jesus was on trial. The Jews still reject it. The Watchtower tries to translate the teaching out of the scripture.
There is no physical way to demonstrate trinity. It is a supernatural fact. It cannot be demonstrated in a test tube. The triple point of water might be somewhat analogous: bring water to a boil, add ice--for a moment you have water as a liquid, solid and gas. This really falls short of the nature of the True and Living God. He is really quite separate from His creation. That is the problem man has with God: God is potter, man is clay.
God is--that makes man accountable--God. Man does not like that--he wants to be accountable to himself--so he surrounds himself with the religion of self. We live in a very narcissistic world. Satan is a narcissist.
He has many followers--some of them packing bibles.
Selah,
Bro. James
Onlybygrace
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James my dear brother. I agree with everything you've said but you have not answered the question
Onlybygrace
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I'm glad you said that. Does that mean then that if you believe God is a trinity by being 3 separate persons and another believes that God is a trinity by revealing himself in 3 separate persons that both viewpoints can be tolerated since neither actually know the truth of HOW God is a trinity???
Onlybygrace
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Umm...can I venture to ask why?
Thinkingstuff
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But that's not the same as trinity it sounds more like modalism. Trinity are mysteriously 3 unique persons 1 God. Not 3 different aspects of God.
When God said "Let US make man in OUR image" He is most definitely speaking of more than one person. Your question sounds like you are asking the same thing just worded different.
Lol- that’s exactly what I was about to post! I use to use that example too, but I had a professor point out the heretical implications of it. When it comes to the Trinity I think our human logic can not truly grasp it & simplified explanations will always fall short one way or another. Nevertheless, we know it is a reality b/c the Holy Spirit affirms it in God’s Word.
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Steven2006
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What exactly is your question? And how are you defining the “Baptist” view of the Trinity?
God is a Spirit..... Jn 4:24
....The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 1 Cor 15:45
...he is not far from each one of us: for in him we live, and move, and have our being.... Acts 17:27,28
for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily Col 2:9
TS, when we get to heaven do you think we'll see three, or one? I say one.
We'll have spiritual bodies so I don't think based on our current limitations we can conclude this. Angels are also spiritual beings, and they were able to be seen when allowed. If our flesh can see spiritual bodies, how much more could our spiritual bodies see?
Thinkingstuff
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We'll see three unique persons homoosious with each other being one God. Ie a Trinity.
Agreed; it's not a strong conclusion on my part; just an expectation that we'll only see the Lamb.
Based on our current limitations I agree. The Holy Spirit was able to be seen "like" a dove and "flames of tongues" (whatever that means, who knows), not to mention God's shekinah glory was able to be seen via flame and smoke. Moses was able to see His backside, too.
Given that, it's anyone's guess how we will be able to see God in eternity.
Just out of curiosity, how would your rationalization explain the baptism of Christ where all 3 are performing different actions; ie the Son is being baptized, the Father is speaking, & the Spirit is descending?