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Luke2427

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No kidding, like clockwork you say something completely foreign to the discussion. Your accusation of him being "unteachable" is a complete falsehood as the same could be said of you not embracing our soteriology. This kind of nonsense is what needs to stop here on the BB.

He said he will NEVER agree with me on this. Therefore HE said he was not teachable. That is plain enough for anyone to discern.

BTW, what IS your soteriology? Isn't it just something you kind of came up with yourself?
 

webdog

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He said he will NEVER agree with me on this. Therefore HE said he was not teachable. That is plain enough for anyone to discern.
...everyone but you apparently. Not agreeing with you does not mean he is unteachable. It means he just doesn't agree with you, and will never. Neither will I...and I am quite teachable.
BTW, what IS your soteriology? Isn't it just something you kind of came up with yourself?
Nice underhanded blow. No more so than salvation = monergism, reprobation = synergism.
 

Luke2427

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Must you say that on every thread? A spiritually dead people perish...spiritually alive people don't. That's the Bible, not what I say.

No, it isn't. EVERYONE is spiritually dead at some point and MANY of those who are spiritually dead do not perish. So that is not true.

The second part of your remark is accurate. Spiritually alive people do not perish for this reason:

"Those he called he also justified and those he justified he also glorified..." Romans 8.

This effectual call makes alive and inevitably ends up in the justification and eventual glorification of the one called.
 

Luke2427

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...everyone but you apparently. Not agreeing with you does not mean he is unteachable. It means he just doesn't agree with you, and will never. Neither will I...and I am quite teachable.Nice underhanded blow. No more so than salvation = monergism, reprobation = synergism.

It is not logical to say, "I will NEVER believe what you say but I am perfectly teachable concerning it." That's a silly notion, isn't it?
 

webdog

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It is not logical to say, "I will NEVER believe what you say but I am perfectly teachable concerning it." That's a silly notion, isn't it?
No...it's based on the teacher and what is taught, is it not? Will you ever accept Darwinism? If not, you must be unteachable :rolleyes: :BangHead:
 

psalms109:31

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Word of God

The word quickens us not to just believe, but also not to and be condemned.

God does not provide one door, but two one to life and another to destruction.
 

webdog

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No, it isn't. EVERYONE is spiritually dead at some point and MANY of those who are spiritually dead do not perish. So that is not true.
Show me where one instance where a spiritually dead person does not perish from Scripture, where one is in God's presence and in union with Him. Triple Dog Dare you.
 

Luke2427

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No...it's based on the teacher and what is taught, is it not? Will you ever accept Darwinism? If not, you must be unteachable :rolleyes: :BangHead:

I am NOT teachable when it comes to Darwinism- hence the REASON I will never accept it!:laugh:
 

Gabriel Elijah

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Web & Luke-The theological “odd couple”—I think u 2 need each other more than either of u realize-:laugh:
 
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Luke2427

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Show me where one instance where a spiritually dead person does not perish from Scripture, where one is in God's presence and in union with Him. Triple Dog Dare you.

They are too many to recount.

Paul was spiritually dead before he was regenerated. He did not perish.

Billions more meet that criteria as well.

Does that suffice?
 

preacher4truth

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How quickly does all this happen Luke, say from being made alive and enabled to respond, to being saved?

Do you believe this person, who has been enabled, is now safe in Gods hand until the actual conversion/salvation experience?

What are some good works on this to check out?

Answer this if you can. Thanks.
 

webdog

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They are too many to recount.

Paul was spiritually dead before he was regenerated. He did not perish.

Billions more meet that criteria as well.

Does that suffice?
Paul was in union with God before he was regenerated :confused:

I'm talking about having eternal life, which is to be in union with God. How many spiritually dead people are in union with God? It's a short list...less than one, and greater than -1.
 

Luke2427

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Paul was in union with God before he was regenerated :confused:

I'm talking about having eternal life, which is to be in union with God. How many spiritually dead people are in union with God? It's a short list...less than one, and greater than -1.

No, no. Here's what you said:

Show me where one instance where a spiritually dead person does not perish from Scripture,

and I did it.
 

webdog

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You know exactly what I mean. You would have been a good attorney.

Why did you stop at the comma? Here is the REST of what I said...
,where one is in God's presence and in union with Him.
 

Don

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Luke -- I respectfully submit you misunderstood Webdog's question.

Paul did not remain spiritually dead, did he? As opposed to, say, King Agrippa?

The one who claims salvation, but remains spiritually dead, is what Webdog is asking you to provide an example of.
 

Luke2427

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You know exactly what I mean. You would have been a good attorney.

Why did you stop at the comma? Here is the REST of what I said...

The two are mutually exclusive- there was no reason to include the part beyond the comma for it had nothing to do with the part before the comma.

You wanted a single biblical example of someone who was spiritually dead and did not perish.

I gave it to you and you are still not satisfied. I do not know what else I can do for you.
 

Gabriel Elijah

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Luke -- I respectfully submit you misunderstood Webdog's question.

Paul did not remain spiritually dead, did he? As opposed to, say, King Agrippa?

The one who claims salvation, but remains spiritually dead, is what Webdog is asking you to provide an example of.

Don—not tryn to say ur wrong—just wondering—what do u mean by “claim salvation”?
 
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