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Will(s) of God

BobinKy

New Member
Can someone explain why reformed theology identifies several wills of God. I just Googled and one website listed seven wills of God.

Perfect will of God
Decreed will of God
Perceptive will of God
Preferential (desiderative) will of God
Permissive will of God
Directive will of God
Discerned will of God​

Just trying to understand.

...Bob
 
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The Archangel

Well-Known Member
Without going into too much detail (because of the time), a dual will in God is, I think, an attempt by us humans to describe scriptural things.

For instance...Genesis 50:20 says "...you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good..." Joseph is talking to his brothers. This shows two things: The brothers did evil to him and it was God's will that evil was done to him.

God ordained the free actions of the brothers (the evil actions) in selling Joseph into slavery. But, at the same time, through the ordinance of the brothers' evil, God's will was being worked out perfectly.

This is why Calvinists typically say "God ordains the free actions of human beings to fit and serve His own purposes."

Blessings,

The Archangel
 

Robert Snow

New Member
Can someone explain why reformed theology identifies several wills of God. I just Googled and one website listed seven wills of God.

Perfect will of God
Decreed will of God
Perceptive will of God
Preferential (desiderative) will of God
Permissive will of God
Directive will of God
Discerned will of God​

Just trying to understand.

...Bob

They have to come up with nonsense like this or their doctrine falls apart. Any time you attempt to twist the Scripture to fit a doctrine it doesn't contain, you have to go to these ridiculous explanations or admit your error.
 

The Archangel

Well-Known Member
They have to come up with nonsense like this or their doctrine falls apart. Any time you attempt to twist the Scripture to fit a doctrine it doesn't contain, you have to go to these ridiculous explanations or admit your error.

Comments like this offer nothing. Perhaps I'm too tired of hearing politicians do this very thing and so it may be the case that I'm unfairly singling you out. However, this neither engages the subject or offers anything to the conversation. Unfortunately, the only thing it does is make you look like a spiteful anti-Calvinist. Perhaps that is how you wish to be seen? I certainly hope not. After all...the very words you posted could be used against you and you would not appreciate it. "Do unto others..."

The Archangel
 

Luke2427

Active Member
They have to come up with nonsense like this or their doctrine falls apart. Any time you attempt to twist the Scripture to fit a doctrine it doesn't contain, you have to go to these ridiculous explanations or admit your error.

These words are hateful and false and I think based in ignorance. I have no idea about your education level but I will bet the farm that you don't have a bachelors from a reputable Christian institution. I've never known an educated Christian to be so hateful towards Calvin.

You accuse me of loving him; which I don't. But I think it is FAR more obvious that you are a bitter old man that does not know what he is talking about- who HATES him a lot more than any of us like him.

Here are some of the lovely things you've said about Calvin and Calvinists and Calvinism on baptistboard.

It's not yielding to it that is the problem for the Calvinist, it's understanding what God has said. Quit listening to Calvin and start looking at what the Word of God says, which is something Calvin evidently didn't understand.

They have to come up with nonsense like this or their doctrine falls apart. Any time you attempt to twist the Scripture to fit a doctrine it doesn't contain, you have to go to these ridiculous explanations or admit your error.

I don't believe the church was ever helped with your brand of Hyper-Calvinism. In fact, I feel this has been one problem the church has had to endure. I will fight against this error in every church I attend!

It is an invitation. Only a Calvinistic twisting of the Scripture makes it any other thing.

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I believe this is an heretical statement. This makes God responsible for sin, which is something He cannot do. This is what I call Hyper-Calvinism, something I will stand against until my dying breath!

I disagree. Calvinism requires twisting and denying of plain Scripture in order to appear to be scholarly instead of following the clear commands of God.

They just take the Word of God at face value as opposed to the typical Calvinist, who looks more to Calvin and his ilk.

The more I learn about Calvinism, the more I am amazed that people believe it.

Just the fact that Finney causes the Calvinist to object so vehemently causes me to like him even more!
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To argue with a Calvinist is futile. Don't even try. If they cannot see the plain teachings of Scripture that says that Christ died for the world, it is hopeless to try to get them to see the error of this particular doctrine.

When someone at church starts talking this nonsense, I just smile and enjoy watching them attempt to fit this false belief into the teachings of Scripture.

After many years you just hear the same old semantics over and over again. Now if you really want to anger them, just quote the Scripture and watch their reaction.
 
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Robert Snow

New Member
These words are hateful and false and I think based in ignorance. I have no idea about your education level but I will bet the farm that you don't have a bachelors from a reputable Christian institution. I've never known an educated Christian to be so hateful towards Calvin.

You accuse me of loving him; which I don't. But I think it is FAR more obvious that you are a bitter old man that does not know what he is talking about- who HATES him a lot more than any of us like him.

Here are some of the lovely things you've said about Calvin and Calvinists and Calvinism on baptistboard.

:sleep: :sleep:
 
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