Saying what you believe is clearer than saying Calvinist

[Mexdeaf]

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[Earth Wind and Fire]

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boy I like this MD.....like it allot!

 

[SolaSaint]

I agree, mainly because Calvinism is viewed by many in different ways and it has been redefined by many over the years. I believe Piper has it right, we should just explain to those who ask what we truly believe. Sadly, how many professing Christians do it?

 

[mets65]

I still don't completely understand what Calvinism is yet.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I still don't completely understand what Calvinism is yet.

Let me know if you want to read up on it....I got a good book in soft cover that will give it to you straightforward like for about 11 bucks / Amazon.

 

[Baptist4life]

I still don't completely understand what Calvinism is yet.

Un-Biblical is what it is. :tonofbricks:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Un-Biblical is what it is. :tonofbricks:

Still another opinion & we know what their like & we all have one.:smilewinkgrin:

 

[TCassidy]

Un-Biblical is what it is. :tonofbricks:

So you deny that "Salvation is of the LORD"

 

[Amy.G]

So you deny that "Salvation is of the LORD"

:sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:

 

[mets65]

Un-Biblical is what it is. :tonofbricks:

I'm just trying to learn more about it for my personal knowledge, not for the purpose of judgement.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Un-Biblical is what it is. :tonofbricks:

Please kindly explain which of the following points you disagree with and give a Biblical response as to why-

I believe I am so spiritually corrupt and prideful and rebellious that I would never have come to faith in Jesus without God’s merciful, sovereign victory over the last vestiges of my rebellion. (1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 3:1–4; Romans 8:7).


I believe that God chose me to be his child before the foundation of the world, on the basis of nothing in me, foreknown or otherwise. (Ephesians 1:4–6; Acts 13:48; Romans 8:29–30; 11:5–7)


I believe Christ died as a substitute for sinners to provide a bona fide offer of salvation to all people, and that he had an invincible design in his death to obtain his chosen bride, namely, the assembly of all believers, whose names were eternally written in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain. (John 3:16; John 10:15; Ephesians 5:25; Revelation 13:8)


When I was dead in my trespasses, and blind to the beauty of Christ, God made me alive, opened the eyes of my heart, granted me to believe, and united me to Jesus, with all the benefits of forgiveness and justification and eternal life. (Ephesians 2:4–5; 2 Corinthians 4:6; Philippians 2:29; Ephesians 2:8–9; Acts 16:14; Ephesians 1:7; Philippians 3:9)


I am eternally secure not mainly because of anything I did in the past, but decisively because God is faithful to complete the work he began—to sustain my faith, and to keep me from apostasy, and to hold me back from sin that leads to death. (1 Corinthians 1:8–9; 1 Thessalonians 5:23–24; Philippians 1:6; 1 Peter 1:5; Jude 1:25; John 10:28–29; 1 John 5:16)

Thanks.

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[Tom Butler]

The thing I like is that Piper gives the scriptural basis for his view. One may not agree with his interpretation, but at least you know where he got it.

 

[Mexdeaf]

The thing I like is that Piper gives the scriptural basis for his view. One may not agree with his interpretation, but at least you know where he got it.

And what's more- I have never read anywhere that he calls those who disagree with him 'unbiblical', but rather compares their beliefs with what the Bible says with humility and grace. For example here is a critique he wrote of Ayn Rand:

http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/articles/the-ethics-of-ayn-rand

 

[Baptist4life]

So you believe God created some people predestined for Hell? Nothing they can do about it. He's not gonna "call" them to Himself? No matter what? Calvinists are a strange bunch.

 

[Winman]

Please kindly explain which of the following points you disagree with and give a Biblical response as to why-

Thanks.

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I disagree with his 2nd point, election is according to foreknowledge (1 Pet 1:2). I believe this is God's foreknowledge of who will believe shown in John 6:64.

I disagee with his 4th point, we are not made alive to believe, we must believe to be made alive (John 20:31 and MANY other verses).

Now, I do not say man can possibly believe without the revelation and conviction of God's word, but this is not life. Hebrews 6 clearly shows a man can have knowledge and enlightenment of salvation, and yet turn from the truth and fall away.

 

[drfuss]

I agree that saying you are a Calvinist is not a good description because many Christians who believe only in the eternal security point also call themselves Calvinists. Why don't you just use terms like predestination, unconditional elecction, and irresistible grace if you want to differ yourself from other Christians?

 

[TCassidy]

:sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:

Interesting response. May I assume you don't care about the eternal destiny of lost people and would rather mock those who do care?

 

[Amy.G]

Interesting response. May I assume you don't care about the eternal destiny of lost people and would rather mock those who do care?

You posted a response to B4L:

So you deny that "Salvation is of the LORD"

Which resulted in my post of:

:sleep::sleep:

Now you are apparently accusing B4L of being lost and you also accuse me of not caring for the lost since B4L was the subject of your post about lost people.

This is against board rules.

And just because someone is not a Calvinist does not mean they "deny that salvation is of the Lord" so I posted :sleep: instead of trying to be nice.

 

[David Lamb]

I haven't followed the link, but I agree with the statement of the thread title. However, I see over and over again on the BB terms like "Calvinist", "Doctrines of Grace," and "Reformed" used as shorthand to indicate a person's general belief about who/how/why God saves sinners, and I sometimes use such terms in the same way.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

So you believe God created some people predestined for Hell? Nothing they can do about it. He's not gonna "call" them to Himself? No matter what? Calvinists are a strange bunch.

Troll on Brother