What is "Old Time Religion"

Assault: A violent physical or verbal attack

Do you honestly feel I have violently attacked you?

Where did I quote you "dishonestly"?

I think Bob is addressing this with his question to you.

Really? You have a master's degree, and all you can come back with is, "well, they did it, so it's okay for me to do it"?

 

I will have to give credit to my wifes family for Scottish Covenanter usage. They were Covenanter's & I guess according to the article, the 1st true rednecks...from Edinboro & Lenarkshire (the beginning of the Covenanter movement) & some of them were miners but most were farmers.

My Grandaddy worked most of Pennsylvania & his daddy & granddaddy worked coal miners in Wales, then Pennsylvania & WV but then they were Welsh so coal mining is in their blood & their lungs. I saw them go to work early & come home in the evening full of coal dust. Everyone till my fathers generation worked in the mines & I still have my granddaddys pick.

 

Hmmm...the "neck" of the woods I grew up in, the term was used towards those who spent all their time in the oil fields (denoting the (sometimes unbelieveably bad) sunburn on the back of their necks). Granted, they fit the definition of "poor white" most of the time; but they weren't "true" southerners, like we'd consider our friends in the Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama, etc. areas.

 

EWF...

My ancestors came from Edinburgh, Scotland in 1723. The early coal miners, I have read, were from Wales and taught the folks here how to mine coal. My wife had relatives who worked in the West Virginia mines. One was killed in a mining accident in the 1920s. My relatives worked the coal mines in eastern Kentucky.

Please be proud of your granddaddy's pick. Maybe sometime you can go to a trophy store and have some kind of plaque made up--in honor of your granddaddy and his relatives.

If you have not seen it, the movie Matewan (1987) is one of the few movies about coal miners. The setting is West Virginia; the plot is the operator-union battles of the 1920s. The movie is rated PG 13 for language and violence. Watch how your granddaddy might have used his pick in the opening scene at this youtube clip: MATEWAN Pt. 1.

...Bob

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Luke - you haven't explained how rednecks only "half throw together their worship."

 

Bob, all you would know about the family would be summered in the name " John Llewellyn Lewis " ....funny because Llewellyn & Lewis are family names. As with you, Ive been investigating my roots & so is my wife. My son is of Welsh, Italian, Slovak, Scot, German & Swiss (maybe even some English & French) linage IE total Heinz 57 American. LOL

BTW..... Have you ever been down a coal mine?

 

I just got in a few minutes ago from a 12-hour genealogy trip to find the graves of my wife's great-great-grandparents. We found the small family grave yard on top of a hill of the farm they used to own. All grown over. The grave markers, however, were in good condition.

No, I have not. But I have visited coal mine museums and exhibits. Here is a list of coal mine museums from Google.

I do not know how far you are from Pittsburgh, PA. Here is a website for a coal mine museum about 20 minutes from Pittsburgh.

There are also several clips at YouTube, when you enter "coal mine" in the search bar.


...Bob

 

Luke2427...

Thank you for responding to my question.

I disagree with your statement about the worship of rednecks, whether they be farmers, coal miners, or oil field workers.

When you pray tomorrow (Sunday), privately please ask God if this is what he wants you to publicly say.

If a pastor of a church made this statement in public, I would leave the church and not return. I think you will find there are many people who feel the same way as I do.

There is a saying, "You may be the only Jesus that some will ever see [or hear]."

Please pray about it.

...Bob

 

Careful there buddy; I resemble that remark...

 

Luke, you've had two others take offense to your public statement about rednecks; but you haven't responded.

Publicly, you've indicated that "rednecks" (poor southern whites) don't worship up to a certain standard; but all you've stated is that the Lord deserves our best, rather than "half thrown together" worship...implying that rednecks aren't giving it their all, and should strive for a higher standard--without identifying where they could be "doing better."

When you first posted this comment about rednecks, I made a comment about "elitism." You've pretty much confirmed that comment.

Two men went up on a hill to pray; which one came away justified?

You have publicly accused me of violently attacking you; prove it. Until you do, you're guilty of histrionics, and accusing me of something I haven't done.

 

I guess I need to pray here that gods people will come together on this thread & stop ripping each other up in ridiculous petty arguments.

 

Get something straight, Luke: I will always call you out when you make an ambiguous comment that can--and usually is--construed as derogatory towards others. And I'll continue to call you on it, as I have here, until you finally explain yourself...which you've finally done. You telling me I am going to chill out...well, ask yourself: If *I* told *you* that, how would you receive it?

Further, if I made the statement that you assaulted me, you and I both know you'd be the first one to ask for the proof. So provide the proof, or admit that your use of the term was a little over the top. Unless you actually do feel that I've violently attacked you.

It does. It also points out that when individuals choose to use their own definitions for terms, it causes confusion that requires explanation.

As for my "elitism" statement, here's two things: You've now explained yourself, and as I pointed out in an earlier post, here's where I say: Oh, that's what you meant; I didn't understand what you meant, thanks for finally clarifying it. My bad.

Second, my caution to you is, the way you described "redneckism" in your response to Bob ... is not "redneck." It may be *your* definition of redneck, but it's not the generally accepted definition of the term, as has been evidenced by the discussion here between Bob and EWF.

What you described is described in Revelations as "the lukewarm church," which is rather to be spit out. It's not reserved for rednecks, or any other particular group. And like you, I despise it, as we all should.

 

Thank you for the admission.

I believe I focused on the definition "poor white Southerners"; so, yes, I was accurate. In the context of your next few paragraphs, perhaps you meant to say that I wasn't "entirely" accurate.

Emphasis (bold) was mine. Just pointing out: In any discussion, as you noted in your response to Bob, the terms have to be agreed upon before use by all parties. Otherwise, the discussion goes awry.

Might I suggest what EWF proposed in an earlier post? If you had used the term "yahoo," I think there would have been no question about to what you were referring.

Wasn't me. If you think it actually was, then I ask you to please find the particular comment. I did write, in this thread, that I find you to be arrogant; but I make that determination in the way you write to others, not in your Calvinistic viewpoints.

 

Redneckism? Oh brother.

Luke, some of the most profound teaching/preaching I've ever heard came from uneducated, unpretentious, simple, common, country preachers.

 

Yes me too:thumbs:

 

Count me in on this!!!