Are You STILL A Dispy IF Hold To pre Mill regardless When rapture?

[JesusFan]

Jesus said "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life..." if you do not belong to the Body of Christ (Church), you spend an eternity in Hell.

And the Bible does not say "No distinction except in..." it just says "NO" distinction. That means "no" distinction of any kind. No, means no.

Think that both Dispy/Covt would agree that in this PRESENT age of Grace, in "Church Age", that ALL have to come by/in Christ into the Body of Christ and get saved...
Difference is that Dispy see God STILL going to deal with Isreal as a nation. jewish people who were not saved heading into tribulation, who will find salvation in Messiah, jesus, when he returns!

they will also be saved ONLY biy faith in Yeshua, but will be part of Kingdom of God on earth in Millenium, while Church part of Kingdom of heaven above....

 

[lastday]

All Israel Saved at SC

Think that both Dispy/Covt would agree that in this PRESENT age of Grace, in "Church Age", that ALL have to come by/in Christ into the Body of Christ and get saved...
Difference is that Dispy see God STILL going to deal with Isreal as a nation. jewish people who were not saved heading into tribulation, who will find salvation in Messiah, jesus, when he returns!

they will also be saved ONLY biy faith in Yeshua, but will be part of Kingdom of God on earth in Millenium, while Church part of Kingdom of heaven above....

Jesus Fan,
So you and I are still Dispensationalists who
look forward, without respect to the timing of the Rapture, to the "Age to Come" and the Millennial Reign of Christ with Israel's
rulership over the nations on the earth...via the Davidic Kingdom of Jer.33.
Mel Miller
www.lastday.net

 

[lastday]

Even in the eternal state there appears to be a distinction between redeemed Israel and the Church.

Revelation 21

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.​

HankD​

Hi Hank,
You are so right on the ball!
However, both the saved of Israel and of Gentiles during the present Church Age share equally in the blessings of dwelling forever in the New Jerusalem.

The difference is found in those saved during the Millennium who will
inherit eternal life according to Matt.25:31-46 after the separation of
sheep and goat nations at the end of the Millennium (it is incomprehensible that this separation occurs at the start of the Millennium). The nations
that are saved during the Millennium will forever inherit the Davidic
Kingdom and be required to enter the New Jerusalem from time to time
to be "healed by the leaves of the tree of life". Rev.21:24-26; 22:2,14.
Mel Miller
www.lastday.net

 

[JesusFan]

Jesus Fan,
So you and I are still Dispensationalists who
look forward, without respect to the timing of the Rapture, to the "Age to Come" and the Millennial Reign of Christ with Israel's
rulership over the nations on the earth...via the Davidic Kingdom of Jer.33.
Mel Miller
www.lastday.net

yes, and this is why those holding to either full pretierism/Covenant theology err in MYHO, as they fail to recognize that while God has people saved ONLY by faith in Jesus, He still has a "heavenly and earthly" group of peoples, so that promises made to both Isreal and the Church will be completely fulfilled!

 

[HankD]

Hi Hank,
You are so right on the ball!
However, both the saved of Israel and of Gentiles during the present Church Age share equally in the blessings of dwelling forever in the New Jerusalem.

The difference is found in those saved during the Millennium who will
inherit eternal life according to Matt.25:31-46 after the separation of
sheep and goat nations at the end of the Millennium (it is incomprehensible that this separation occurs at the start of the Millennium). The nations
that are saved during the Millennium will forever inherit the Davidic
Kingdom and be required to enter the New Jerusalem from time to time
to be "healed by the leaves of the tree of life". Rev.21:24-26; 22:2,14.
Mel Miller
www.lastday.net

Hi Mel, Thanks for the addendum.

HankD

 

[lastday]

Who Resides in Heaven during Millennium?

Think that both Dispy/Covt would agree that in this PRESENT age of Grace, in "Church Age", that ALL have to come by/in Christ into the Body of Christ and get saved...
Difference is that Dispy see God STILL going to deal with Isreal as a nation. jewish people who were not saved heading into tribulation, who will find salvation in Messiah, jesus, when he returns!

they will also be saved ONLY biy faith in Yeshua, but will be part of Kingdom of God on earth in Millenium, while Church part of Kingdom of heaven above....

JesusFan:
The "Church part of the Kingdom of heaven" during the Millennium will consist of Martyred Saints who belong to the Bride of the Lamb prior to His Return!

They will "serve God in the New Jerusalem's heavenly Temple DAY AND NIGHT" while believers who "endure to the end reign with Christ on the earth"!!
Rev.3:12; Rev.7:15-17; Rev.2:25-26.

But after the Millennium, after the Sheep Nations are separated from the Goat Nations (and the latter are sent to Hell), Day and Night will no longer apply
to the Martyrs who "serve God day and night in heaven's temple"...for
during all eternity only those saved during the Millennium will come from their earthly kingdom "Day or Night" to be "healed by the leaves of the tree of life"!!!
There will be day and night on earth; but not in the New Jerusalem. Rev.21:24-26.

When the 7 Plagues are finished and God decrees "It is Done", the Martyrs "from under the Altar" (Rev.6:9-11), dressed in their heavenly
robes of white will stand, for the first time, in Prayer and Praise to God and the Lamb before they are resurrected and meet all the Saints in the air!
Rev.16:17; Rev.7:9 to Rev.8:5; I Thess.3:13; 4:13-17.

They will be raised up on that Last Day, take part in the Wedding and
Supper of the Lamb and then return to the Temple in heaven to "serve God day and night and be led by the Lamb to rivers of living water" for 1000 years!!
Rev.11:18; Rev.19:7-9; Rev.3:12; Rev.20:4-6.

When God decrees that "All things are Done", the Martyrs will be joined by
all the Saints of the 12 Tribes of Israel and the Saints of this dispensation
and dwell in the New Jerusalem over the earthly kingdom forever. But the "kings of earth saved during the Millennium will bring their glory and honor
into the New Jerusalem Day or Night to be healed by the leaves of the
Tree of Life!!! Rev.21:24-26; Rev.22:2,14.
Mel Miller
www.lastday.net

 

[JesusFan]

JesusFan:
The "Church part of the Kingdom of heaven" during the Millennium will consist of Martyred Saints who belong to the Bride of the Lamb prior to His Return!

They will "serve God in the New Jerusalem's heavenly Temple DAY AND NIGHT" while believers who "endure to the end reign with Christ on the earth"!!
Rev.3:12; Rev.7:15-17; Rev.2:25-26.

But after the Millennium, after the Sheep Nations are separated from the Goat Nations (and the latter are sent to Hell), Day and Night will no longer apply
to the Martyrs who "serve God day and night in heaven's temple"...for
during all eternity only those saved during the Millennium will come from their earthly kingdom "Day or Night" to be "healed by the leaves of the tree of life"!!!
There will be day and night on earth; but not in the New Jerusalem. Rev.21:24-26.

When the 7 Plagues are finished and God decrees "It is Done", the Martyrs "from under the Altar" (Rev.6:9-11), dressed in their heavenly
robes of white will stand, for the first time, in Prayer and Praise to God and the Lamb before they are resurrected and meet all the Saints in the air!
Rev.16:17; Rev.7:9 to Rev.8:5; I Thess.3:13; 4:13-17.

They will be raised up on that Last Day, take part in the Wedding and
Supper of the Lamb and then return to the Temple in heaven to "serve God day and night and be led by the Lamb to rivers of living water" for 1000 years!!
Rev.11:18; Rev.19:7-9; Rev.3:12; Rev.20:4-6.

When God decrees that "All things are Done", the Martyrs will be joined by
all the Saints of the 12 Tribes of Israel and the Saints of this dispensation
and dwell in the New Jerusalem over the earthly kingdom forever. But the "kings of earth saved during the Millennium will bring their glory and honor
into the New Jerusalem Day or Night to be healed by the leaves of the
Tree of Life!!! Rev.21:24-26; Rev.22:2,14.
Mel Miller
www.lastday.net

that is why I believe Bible teaches the Body of Christ alive on earth at time of the rapture go up with Lord in air, celebrate the marriage Supper of the lamb!

then those still left upon the earth in great Tribulation wll have the witness of 2 witnesses, then the 144,000 Jewish "Billy Grahams" and Gospel preached to all nations...
Great numbers saved during this time, those NOT receiving mark of the Beast....

So those who perished during this time go to Heaven, while still living when Jesus physically returns to earth goes off in to His Milliniual Kingdom!