Top Ten Reasons Why Men Should Not Be Ordained

Well, yes I got it and it is a very sane statement since both are being practiced today in regard to the ministry and since both are equally unbiblical.

You response represents the age we live and the seared conscience of most who live in this age.

 

If you are wrong you are just wrong! If you follow those who teach falsehood you will embrace falsehood.

Take a look at your rediculous statement - rediculous in the light of what God's word clearly teaches:

Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


Rom. 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1 Tim. 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

Take note that Paul grounds his command on the divine order established by God at Creation before cultural mores were established.

What is "rediculous" is your false interpretation of the scriptures that is what is "rediculous."

Isa. 3:12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

If you don't like the insinuation of being called "rediculous" then don't make the insinuation toward others and don't follow the "rediculous" teaching of men - no matter how famous those men might be in your sight - "they which lead thee cause thee to err"!

 

Jainer.....

And a very good one. I enjoyed every bit of it! Thanks for posting

I dont know what its going to take for us Baptists (and other evangelicals) to FINALLY see how horrible this extremely embarassing prejudice against women is.

It makes us look like a bunch of neanderthals. Its shamefull.

Actually I think that this might be about the ONLY thing that that wasteland of error known as "liberal protestant theology" has managed to get right. They allow competant women to be pastors.

The liberals got something right...Miracles can happen!

 

So you got it right and Paul got it wrong, or,
Paul just didn't know what he was talking about when he wrote about the qualifications of a pastor, and the duties/place of a woman in the church?
Did God throw some extra revelation your way?

 

Have you ever read Paul? Have you studied the reasons he gives for what he commands concerning women?

Last time, I checked God's Word trumps man's word's and man's interpretation.

Here are some of the common human fallacies by those who interpret Paul to mean and say exactly what he meant and said:

1. He was a woman hater
2. He was merely providing temporary advice wisdom to deal with a male dominated culture
3. He was not inspired
4. Examples in scripture trump precepts in scripture
5. He was not speaking for God but only for himself
6. etc., etc.,

These great scholars violate very simple rules of hermeneutics.

1. They ignore the contextual reasons given by the writer
2. They pit contrary examples against precepts
3. They take from contexts where women can instruct other women and children
4. They take from contexts of male rebellion against God and make the use of women in leadership positions the standard instead of the exception.
5. They read congregational settings into contexts where none exist
6. They read inferences contrary to precept and positive examples.

Yes, I have read some of those you list and many more and when you are wrong it does not matter how great UNINSPIRED men are in the eyes of their adoring followers.

 

DHK...

If you hold to the "women must not lead men, and must be silent and in submission" mentality, then dont think that you should must also be pro-slavery? Those two issues pretty much go hand in hand scripturally.

Here is an excerpt, from a baptist source, with a link to the rest....(bolding mine)

http://www.christianethicstoday.com/cetart/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.main&ArtID=777

 

What has "slavery" got to do with anything? The issue is hardly even addressed in the Bible. Paul addressed himself in Rom.1:1 as a "slave" (doulos) to the believers in Rome.

The word is stronger than diakonos (servant), but both are translated the same way in English (Rom.1:1: 16:1). It has absolutely nothing to do with the issue of slavery, a different emotional subject, a card which you just played to pull on the heart-strings of those readers. I call that deception, unless you did it ignorantly.

Paul distinctly said that a woman shall not have authority over a man. That one verse in and of itself prohibits her from being a pastor.

What about some others.
--husband of one wife? (Or does that mean she is a lesbian)?
--head of his own household, with his children in submission?

Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. (1 Timothy 3:11)
--How does that verse fit into this equation??

Oh, and about submission:
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. (Ephesians 5:22)
Unless you deny the Bible, it is in there!

 

when you resort to overstating comparisons you have nothing to stand on.

 

Humor section. Yep!

 

DHK...

If you read the material and scriptures I posted from the link you will find out.

Its easilly understood.

I recommend you read the entire artical I linked to. It will help you to understand...provided you have a scripturally open mind.
If you have a scriptually closed mind it will do you no good at all...to your detriment, unfortunetly.

 

Mandym...

Thats why I didnt post any overstated comparisons.

 

Annsni, is Anne Graham Lotz a "LIBERAL!"?

Anne Graham Lotz, "A Privilege To Be an ‘Evangelical Feminist’," Washington Post, July 1, 2011

At the same link is a video interview:

"Anne Graham Lotz, Evangelical Minister, On Confronting Sexism Within the Church"