Sorry for the confusion. Post 107 was directed to P4T, not you. I am awaiting for him to answer:
I am still waiting for a response from P4T
-
Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
God Controls Hearts and Thoughts as He Says in His Word
- Thread starter preacher4truth
- Start date
- Status
- Not open for further replies.
I am still waiting for a response from P4T
Obviously Adam and Eve only did what God allowed them to do. After all who created them and knew all things would happen? Or, do you still hold the erroneous view that God doesn't know all things?
Answer that, does God know all things, or not Winman? Yes or No?
Your passage of Scripture is poorly interpreted by yourself. It by no means shows man has a free will. Anyone who worships God in this manner, of a true heart is one God has reserved unto Himself to do so.
Back to your problem of the past: Does God know all things, yes or no?
Most of your theological problems stem from your answer, and from your proof-text theology.
I see another problem, you spend a lot of time with JW's. No winners in that meeting.
Answer the question Winman.
Uh, this verse was from the book of Leviticus, at least 2000 years after Adam and Eve, God told Moses to speak this to the children of Israel. It was men from the children of Israel he instructed to offer a sacrifice of their own voluntary will.
I love the way you claim to have superior knowledge of scripture, I have been studying the scriptures for over 45 years, probably at least 10 years longer than you have been alive.
I believe God in his glory knows all things, but that at times God limits himself, such as when he wrestled Jacob and Jacob prevailed.
Jesus said he did not know the exact day and hour of his return, do you believe Jesus lied?
As far as God knowing men would sin, I absolutely believe God knew that. When God gave men free will he knew they would sin. That does not mean he desires or wills men to sin, only that he knew they would.
You have a young one, do you desire or will that he (she) sins? Of course not, unless there is something truly wrong with you. But do you know your child will sin? Of course.
preacher4truth
Active Member
I believe God in his glory knows all things, but that at times God limits himself, such as when he wrestled Jacob and Jacob prevailed... You have a young one, do you desire or will that he (she) sins? Of course not, unless there is something truly wrong with you. But do you know your child will sin? Of course.
One more time: You use proof-text theology. It doesn't consider the whole counsel of God, therefore, you err.
Do you believe God knows all things? Yes or No.
As far as my young one? First, be careful what you say. Second, I'm not God.
Does God know all things? You've previously said God does not know all things. Answer the question winman.
Do you think P4T will ever show enough respect to answer other people's questions?Did God control your thoughts when you typed them, or was it the devil?
Just wondering because you do believe it is one of the two?
Or did you type them of your own free will? Did you choose out of your own free will to make this post?
He can't answer the questions obviously. They've already been answered in this thread anyhow. Sometimes you learn some things by opening up that Bible and taking a look inside!!! I think it would be good for gersh to get himself into the Bible and get some answers for himself, and also take some notes of things I've said in here, for some good doctrinally sound material to pass on to others. Something fresh and thought out for all of them.
Answer the question, p4t. Which thoughts does God control that come to you? You said some, but not all. Which thoughts? You're the one pushing this idea, so just give me an answer. Which thoughts does God control if not all? Thanks, buddy.
One more time: You use proof-text theology. It doesn't consider the whole counsel of God, therefore, you err.
Do you believe God knows all things? Yes or No.
As far as my young one? First, be careful what you say. Second, I'm not God.
Does God know all things? You've previously said God does not know all things. Answer the question winman.
I directly answered you, I said I believe God in his glory knows all things, but at times God limits himself. You do agree that Jesus is God don't you? And you do agree that Jesus said he did not know the exact day and hour of his return don't you? I didn't think it necessary to quote the verse, but I will show you just in case.
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
What does this verse say? Did Jesus say he does not know the day and hour of his return?
And asking you about your child is perfectly relevant. Does God care for and feel a responsibility toward his own creation?
Luk 12:6 Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?
7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
Your concept of God is utterly unscriptural. God cares about all men, even those who reject and hate him. He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, and is not willing that any should perish. We are not "trash" that God throws into the fire, Jesus said we are of "value" to God.
And this is why I asked about your child. You love your child and want the best for him or her. You are in no way willing he or she sins, yet you know he or she has a free will and is going to sin. It is no different with God and us, he doesn't want us to sin, all his commands not to sin would be nonsense if God wills we sin. But he knows we have a free will, he knows we are flesh and easily tempted, and he knows we will sin.
This theology of yours is WAYYYYY off.
If God is the one who is putting those thoughts in there...
Are they wrong if God is the one doing it, or doesn't He have the right to do such?
"If..."
p4t has already established for himself that God controls some (so there is no "if" according to p4t), but not all. I am asking him which thoughts does God control.
preacher4truth
Active Member
Do you think P4T will ever show enough respect to answer other people's questions?
Respect to the one who has labeled me a heretic? Respect is earned, therefore I owe you none.
preacher4truth
Active Member
I directly answered you, I said I believe God in his glory knows all things, but at times God limits himself. You do agree that Jesus is God don't you? And you do agree that Jesus said he did not know the exact day and hour of his return don't you? I didn't think it necessary to quote the verse, but I will show you just in case.
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
What does this verse say? Did Jesus say he does not know the day and hour of his return?
And asking you about your child is perfectly relevant. Does God care for and feel a responsibility toward his own creation?
Luk 12:6 Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?
7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
Your concept of God is utterly unscriptural. God cares about all men, even those who reject and hate him. He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, and is not willing that any should perish. We are not "trash" that God throws into the fire, Jesus said we are of "value" to God.
And this is why I asked about your child. You love your child and want the best for him or her. You are in no way willing he or she sins, yet you know he or she has a free will and is going to sin. It is no different with God and us, he doesn't want us to sin, all his commands not to sin would be nonsense if God wills we sin. But he knows we have a free will, he knows we are flesh and easily tempted, and he knows we will sin.
This theology of yours is WAYYYYY off.
Yes, I see. Your God doesn't know all things. Youv'e also stated this in the past. Just so we all know where you're coming from: Error.
Last edited by a moderator:
preacher4truth
Active Member
Answer the question, p4t. Which thoughts does God control that come to you? You said some, but not all. Which thoughts? You're the one pushing this idea, so just give me an answer. Which thoughts does God control if not all? Thanks, buddy.
First, we're not close to being buddys.
Secondly, the answers are within this thread.
Thirdly, don't you think it's time you got something fresh from the Bible for your people? Don't settle for another text and a tangent.
Fourthly, Your drive bys are a reflection of you; stagnant.
You should try looking through a thread and getting the answers. They're plainly there. I know you probably don't like having to actually work, but look, do something, will ya, and get your folks some sound material a few pages back on how I already addressed this?
Yes, I see. Your God doesn't know all things. You'e also stated this in the past.
Did Jesus say he does not "know" the day and hour of his return or not?
Please answer that question.
My post was perfectly clear. You didn't read it carefully.Respect to the one who has labeled me a heretic? Respect is earned, therefore I owe you none.
I said, If you believe___________, then it is heresy.
All you have to do is go back and clarify what you believe.
Winman agreed with my post 100%. So what should I conclude now?
Either you won't clarify your post as to heresy, or,
either you or he is one, and since he agrees with me I would tend to say that there is something desperately wrong with your theology. But you won't clarify your answers. You just leave it hanging. Is it heresy or not? You tell us.
preacher4truth
Active Member
Did Jesus say he does not "know" the day and hour of his return or not?
Please answer that question.
Did God know the answer? Answer the question Winman. :thumbsup:
See how you proof-text and yet remain in error? This is why the JW's like to spend time with you, like attracts like?
Does God know all things? Yes or no?
preacher4truth
Active Member
My post was perfectly clear. You didn't read it carefully.
I said, If you believe___________, then it is heresy.
All you have to do is go back and clarify what you believe.
Winman agreed with my post 100%. So what should I conclude now?
Either you won't clarify your post as to heresy, or,
either you or he is one, and since he agrees with me I would tend to say that there is something desperately wrong with your theology. But you won't clarify your answers. You just leave it hanging. Is it heresy or not? You tell us.
I already answered your drivel, then you continued your heresy after I plainly answered, therefore I continue the no respect from me (and others) that you have earned.
Translation.You should try looking through a thread and getting the answers. They're plainly there. I know you probably don't like having to actually work, but look, do something, will ya, and get your folks some sound material a few pages back on how I already addressed this?
P4T is too lazy to find the original question and answer it for himself. He avoids answering the questions of others and continues to show disrespect.
Robert Snow
New Member
As far as my young one? First, be careful what you say.
Well, be careful what you believe. If I take you theology correctly, if that little one you are holding grows up to be a evil manipulator, that would be alright with you I guess. After all it would be what God directed to happen; how could you fight against it?
Of course, in reality, your little girl, more than likely, will grow up to be kind caring Christian who will make you proud.
Robert Snow
New Member
Respect to the one who has labeled me a heretic? Respect is earned, therefore I owe you none.
Translation: I can't answer without reveling one of the many mistakes about theology, so I have found a convenient excuse not to answer.
- Status
- Not open for further replies.