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Poll For The Dispensationalists_Which Are You?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by kyredneck, Jul 20, 2011.

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Which form of dispensationalism do you have the most agreement with?

  1. Classic_Darby, Chafer, Miles Stanford, early Scofield Bible

    5 vote(s)
    31.3%

  2. Revised_Church is a 'parenthesis, God's plans "put on hold", Walvoord, Ryrie, Pentecost

    6 vote(s)
    37.5%

  3. Progressive_Church is key, not a parenthesis. Blaising, Bock, Saucy

    5 vote(s)
    31.3%

  4. Popular_Emphasis on prophecy fulfilled in the state of Israel's formation. Lindsey , Lehaye

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  5. Grace Movement_Church began with the Apostle Paul, then lost 4 basic truths_Bullinger

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. kyredneck

    kyredneck Well-Known Member
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    Ran across this recent article by Kenneth Gentry. He seems a little excited about the developments going on within dispensationalism and presents some distinctions between it's various forms.

    Recent Developments in the Eschatological Debate, 07-20-11

    Options for the poll are:

    Classic dispensationalism_Darby, Chafer, Miles Stanford, early Scofield Bible

    Revised (Traditional) dispensationalism_Present age of grace is a 'parenthesis'. God's plans "put on hold" until after the rapture. Walvoord, Ryrie, Pentecost, Revised Scofield Bible

    Progressive dispensationalism_Present dispensation is a key link between past dispensations and the future dispensations. God's plans have continued in this present dispensation, not a parenthesis. Blaising, Bock, Saucy

    Popular dispensationalism_Emphasis on prophecy fulfilled in the state of Israel's formation. Lindsey , Lehaye

    Grace Movement dispensationalism_ Church began with the Apostle Paul in Acts chapters 9-15 or Acts 28, then lost 4 basic truths_Bullinger


    [edit] I pulled a couple of the options from a Wiki article.
     
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  2. revmwc

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    kyredneck you forgot to cast your vote!
     
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  3. kyredneck

    kyredneck Well-Known Member
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    ...me no dispie...
     
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    To steal a line from a Smokey Robinson song, "I second that emotion".
     
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  5. kyredneck

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    Hello Willis. Actually I used to be a Dispensationlist. I grew up in a SB church that consisted largely of staunch Scofield Bible advocates, and I do believe it was the early Scofield Bible, because somewhere in my early childhood I picked up the notion that the Israelites were saved through the law and Christians were saved through grace. Most likely I was told this either by my grandmother or my Mom. I listened to many a sensational, thrilling sermon (I always enjoyed those) on the imminent (any day now) coming of Christ to Israel, and sitting up His kingdom, and ruling the earth from Jerusalem for the next thousand years. I was a teenager when Hal L:indsey came out with 'The Late Great Planet Earth', which only reinforced and totally captivated me with the thrill of the idea that I was living in a time that Bible prophecy was being fulfilled in a huge way nearly on a daily basis; the Rapture was near, Christ could be here any day, and the world as I knew it would soon be over. I guess I was a 'Popular Dispensationalist' at that time. I also read his 'Satan Is Alive And Well On Planet Earth' and 'There's A New World Coming'. I guess at that time I was caught up into 'that emotion', as you say.
     
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  6. Bob Alkire

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    I would put my self into the Walvoord, Ryrie and Pentecost camp. But just as they have, there is much from the older camp's teaching that I think is correct.
    However I came in through the back door. I couldn't get a lot of Scripture to come together for me, some things didn't add up. As a child in a Calvinist home, I spent more time reading Calvin's work and a couple others than the Bible. Then in college I started a study of Scripture and prayer and came to Dispensationalist view. I didn't even know what a Dispensationalist was. Years later after seminary I found that I was in agreement with Ryrie, Pentecost and Ryrie, and learned much from them.
    Later I read Scofield, Darby and others.
     
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    So you 'switched' from Calvin to Walvoord, Ryrie, Pentacost, and Scofield? :)
     
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    Add me to that chorus
     
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    Just curious, were you ever taught any other eschatology other then that of the 'Old Regulars'?
     
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  10. Bob Alkire

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    Yes sir. Didn't switch from Calvin till my last semester of seminary. Didn't know I was in agreement with Ryrie, Walvoord and Pentacost till a few years after seminary. The only thing brought up about Dispensationalist was negative or less Barnhouse was on campus.
     
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    So you were trained in the reformed dispie movement, since classical dispensationalism teaching Israel and all O.T. saints were saved by Grace through faith just as we are today. That as God'w word says Abraham believed (Faith) God and it was counted unto him for rigtheousness. Grace has been the way of salvation for ALL mankind including Adam and Eve. In their innocent state God gave one command don't eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for in the day you eat there of you shall surely die. Genesis 2: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    When they ate they died first Spiritually eventually physically, but through Grace God provided the means of salvation, believe in the saviour to come. Then they were to offer a blood sacrifice until He came. Genesis 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
    So each individual was to decide to choose for God or reject God's command, Grace provided Salvation through faith. Each time of stewardship (dispensation) was marked by Grace as the means of Salvation, man given a choice to obey God or reject God. Each had it own way in which man was to follow God's command. Each was marked by God dealing with man in different ways. Every dispensation saw God saving by Grace through Faith, God giving man test of obedience and man failing. In the stewardship of the Law, God still saved by Grace and the Law revealed to Israel and all mankind just how we couldn't measure up to God's standard and need a saviour, they looked forward to a saviour to come we look back to the saviour who has come.
     
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    [double post]
     
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    Question: If you notice, I didn't provide a brief description for the 'Classic dispensationalism', and that because I was unable to find what I considered to be a clear distinction between it and the Traditional view. How would you differentiate between the two?
     
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    :thumbsup:

    "Jesus Christ yesterday and to-day the same, and to the ages"
     
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    Actually, if you don't keep the Saturday Sabbath and you eat the flesh of the swine, technically you are a dispensationalist because by doing so (or not) you have made a distinction between Israel and the church.

    This is the essential view of dispensationalism: the distinction between Israel and the church.

    HankD
     
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    Thanks Hank.

    How would you differentiate between Classic dispensationalism and the Traditional view?
     
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    The reason I ask is this Wiki article states that "Classical dispensationalists are a small minority today". It appears not so here on the BB.
     
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    Classic would tend to hold to SUCH a distinction between isreal/Church that God would have saved by Law in OT days, grace in NT

    That He still has Covenant of law with Isreal, and they do not really come in under NT grace covenant to Church, God has 2 seperate people, 2 seperate Covenant relationships...
    Tend to see jews under Old still, Church dealt with under New Covenant relationship

    Traditional keeps distinction between Isreal /Vchurch just that ALL right now must come to God through Grace of New Covenant, and after rapture of Church, God goes back dealing with Jewish peoples as fulfillment of OT Covenant promises... So jews come into Church by new Covenant today, but after Church leaves, than OT blessings/promises made to isreal kick back in!
     
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    Thanks JF, that's what I had thought but I've been unable to verify that from the web.

    It's odd, I once tried to find Scofield's reference notes for the original Scofield Bible with no luck either.
     
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    IF you ever hear that we do not need to evangelize the Jews, as they already have a covenant with God, classic Dispy!
     
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