COMMON-ground?

Whoa, whoa, whoa... You have went from "NNE" to "no scholarly Arminian worth his salt..."

In the real world we call that backpedaling! :wavey:

I believe that we can find examples, and if one wanted to search through any number of posts the evidence could be brought forth. In fact, I recall another thread where the topic went in exactly this same direction and I provided any number of quotes from individuals on this board who did exactly what you suggest that NNE would ever do. I also recall that thread being closed, like all the others where a mod exceeded his bounds and inserted personal theology into a thread and used that as a device to censor other opinions that ran contra that of the mod.

So, you can continue in this intentional fallacy of excessive research or you can let the debate continue, but in a way that is not an attack of a moderator on a member who is merely posting his own theological views.

 

Exactly. Let's turn it from what others on here have said plainly, because then I would stand correct, and lets turn it to another group "scholarly arminians" and now let's debate in a different sandbox.

This just gets silly.

I would appreciate us to study one other immediate context. THIS THREAD wherein Skandelon argues I said these men are saving themselves.

Nothing in the context or in my words support this whatsoever.

I'd appreciate a Christian apology. :love2:

 

Seems that there an attempt to make sure that non cal sand the views would be seen as being the "real biblical" way of expessing Sotierology!

Not upset, more like amused, as those of us who hold the contary position seem to exhibit morr of the "fruit" in how we address those accusing/opossing us here...

Guess we are not all "heartless' and ignorant here, Eh?

 

My view same for either Cals/Arms

You writers/authors validate what the Apostles already recorded, or they don't

Its Apostles Peter/Paul/John NOT Calvin/Clarke/Wesley etc!

 

Yes, we certainly do read your posts like Scriptures, and interpret them concisely in the process. Then afterwards you move the debate into a different direction, adding things no one used in context as if they have, attempting to avoid the truth and dismantling of your system and misrepresentations.

Yep, your strawman is accomplished. :wavey:

No one was talking of "scholarly arminians" except, well, you. This is how you twist things and pretend to give yourself the winning trophy. :love2:

Hopefully too, your misrepresentions of me as well are over.

 

What other choice do the rest of us have? Well put.

 

So, you admit that you are in darkness... :laugh:

 

Im back! Have we achieved any common ground yet?

 

What a mess. This is exactly how you come across, so the shoe does fit you. All of us other poor saps aren't as superior as thou?

Do each receive the same gifts, talents? Do all diligently seek God? Are all just rewarded by Him for nought, or are those who diligently seek Him rewarded in this way only?

Were all apostles? Are all given his insight?

Do all come to see Gods Sovereignty as it truly is, or do some others choose to turn a blind eye to this?

I believe what is at stake here is others outside calvinism refuse to look at the issues presented, thinking that some of them make God seem unfair.

Thus one must make all fit into their theological box.

Thus, cals have allowed not a theological position to interpret Scripture, and have instead let the very Scriptures we hold to reaveal the Glory of God in all His facets, and trust Him at all times in them. Many have rejected theological positions and have arrived at conclusions of DoG/Calvinism/Reformed thought by thoroughly and humbly accepting all the Scriptures say, and some come to this even after previously rejecting these truths, coming to find out these teachings are true, and then embrace them, i.e. me.

We happen to interpret Scripture within a comprehensive entire counsel of God framework. Most who oppose cals use a proof-text methodology, and view the Bible as simple. And I'm talking on here, not some dude named "Joe Shmogul" somewhere who is an alleged "arminian scholar." K?

- Peace

 

Maybe you guys need to do this privately because its not soundin too good right now....just a suggestion.:smilewinkgrin:

 

Where did I portray Arminianism soley? Who said non cals were trying to represent arminianism, in coming to their false assumptions? Not me. You? Indeed! Quit presuming. :smilewinkgrin:

How do you get so far off track? Where did I ever say this is the case? Unbelievable!!!!! (not really)

You dare me? :laugh:

You're saying the persons I've alluded to on here, as to what they've stated, as well as those to whom glfrederick also admitted seeing saying these things, are then "simpletons?" Really? I won't apologize for sticking to a strict context here. Can you do the same and actually argue within the framework of what I actually stated, without adding strawmen, little green army men, weeble-wobbles, and Power Rangers figures?

One of your glaring flaws is that you assume all I come against are in fact arminians, and only arminians. This is you fighting the wrong battle.

- In Love and Peace

 

You'll have to bring that up with God.

 

Skan said....Ok, but why? Are you smarter? More intelligent? More humble? What good do you have that you have not received and why wouldn't God grant that "good" to all his children? Why would he relegate some of us to view God wrongly and "less sovereignly" than other children?

See now your turning this into a contest.....your original OP was to try to find commonality, but you should know what that is by now.... 1 John 5:11-12


11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

I would quit thinking that way (asking above questions like this) if I were you & opening your mind least people think your insecure. Im sure educated Arminians strive to think "outa da box", right? And brother, I would advise this to any Christian I speak to.

Blessings