Repentance

[freeatlast]

What sin did God turn from when He "repented" 1 Sam 15:10? "Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying, It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he has turned back from following me, and has not performed my commandments...."

The application of the words used for repentance are totally dependent on the context. It has sinner and saint alike "turning about" from what they were doing individually or as a nation. It has nothing to do with their individual salvation, whch is by grace alone, and expressed through faith.

Often in the Old Testament and early into the New Testament, ie: John the Baptist's followers, repentance is an act that should follow redemption.

Paul preaches repentance as that act that expresses one's experience with salvation, and not the act leading to salvation. Hence, one may truly be saved, but still needs to express repentance after the fact, to get on with the Christian life.

The meaning of both the Hebrew and Greek words for repentance remains "an about turn" from what man was doing.

Remorse is attached to repentance (Lk 18:13) but here it is referring to a radical change, and not just turning about.

Cheers,

Jim

No it means to turn from not following (surrender) God to following (surrendering) God. You are describing a works salvation. The turning from sin is the evidence of repentance not the actual repentance itself.

 

[Jim1999]

Instead of pasting my entire post [edit] try reading it first!!!!!

Cheers,

Jim

 

[freeatlast]

Instead of pasting my entire post like an idiot, try reading it first!!!!!

Cheers,

Jim

[offensive remark deleted]

 

[Tom Butler]

I wanted to go a little deeper with this post. If the etymology is such that repent means to "turn again", when did the first tur occur? If man is created dead, there is no turning again...there is only turning.

Here's the way I see it:
Let's take Isaiah 53:6:

All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned—every one—to his own way;

Since we operate freely within our nature, as lost people we naturally turn to our own way. At regeneration we turn away from the path of the lost. Thus, we turn again.

 

[Tom Bryant]

Both repentance and faith are grouped together in 1 Thessalonians 1:8-10:

For the word of the Lord has sounded forth from you, not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith toward God has gone forth, so that we have no need to say anything. 9 For they themselves report about us what kind of a reception we had with you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve a living and true God, 10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come.

You reallly haven't repented unless you turn to God and that has to be by faith.

 

[JesusFan]

You've nailed it, tim.
Repent comes from the root word which means to "turn (pent) again (re)."
It goes along with confession, which means to "say with."
Fess--say; con--with

It is saying to God, I see my sin the way you see it, I've come to hate it like you hate it, and I want no more of it.

If someone wants to be saved from their sins by trusting Christ, but don't want to give up their sin, something's not right.

Think thir Biblical repentance, which is as you have desribed, also think "worldly" repenting like Judas, sorry for sinning, not willing to change and come to God...

Also, think that we have sometimes WRONG idea that you have to repent of all your sins than come to jesus, he requires you to change mind set on overall sinfullness and come to him, and than He deals with your sins!
WE ask sinners to confess and repent all of theitr sins, while they cannot do that UNTIL Jesus redeems and cleanses them!

 

[DHK]

Think thir Biblical repentance, which is as you have desribed, also think "worldly" repenting like Judas, sorry for sinning, not willing to change and come to God...

Also, think that we have sometimes WRONG idea that you have to repent of all your sins than come to jesus, he requires you to change mind set on overall sinfullness and come to him, and than He deals with your sins!
WE ask sinners to confess and repent all of theitr sins, while they cannot do that UNTIL Jesus redeems and cleanses them!

Judas may have felt sorry for what he had done. But he did not repent. Had he repented he would not have gone and committed suicide. That is not the fruit of one who repents. Had he repented he would have turned from his wicked ways and turned to Christ, and then sought out the apostles.

 

[percho]

Here is the way I see it.

1 Kings 18:37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou [art] the LORD God, and [that] thou hast turned their heart back again.


God turns our hearts to him and he can also turn them back again when we backslide by conviction of the Holy Spirit.

 

[freeatlast]

Here is the way I see it.

1 Kings 18:37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou [art] the LORD God, and [that] thou hast turned their heart back again.


God turns our hearts to him and he can also turn them back again when we backslide by conviction of the Holy Spirit.

It is not possible for a believer to backslide as we are kept from the practice of sin.
1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.

 

[JesusFan]

Judas may have felt sorry for what he had done. But he did not repent. Had he repented he would not have gone and committed suicide. That is not the fruit of one who repents. Had he repented he would have turned from his wicked ways and turned to Christ, and then sought out the apostles.

exactly!

peter reflects 'godly" repentance that leads to God, while Judas is 'worldly" repentance that does NOT lead one to God!

 

[JesusFan]

It is not possible for a believer to backslide as we are kept from the practice of sin.
1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.

ANY act of sin though makes a believer in jesus to "backslide"

Think that you are saying that a Christian can sin, but that IF he still keeps on sinning at all , that either he was never saved or else backslide out of the Kingdom?

 

[freeatlast]

ANY act of sin though makes a believer in jesus to "backslide"

Think that you are saying that a Christian can sin, but that IF he still keeps on sinning at all , that either he was never saved or else backslide out of the Kingdom?

Neither. When I use the term backslide I use it as scripture does and that it is a term used for a people who are lost. No Christian can backslide. If you hold that any sin is to backslide then your understanding is very unique. Most teach that a backslider is someone who was saved, followed the Lord for a time, and feel away into not following him in their present condition. That cannot happen according to scripture 1John 3:9
So I am saying biblically a Christian cannot backslide.

 

[JesusFan]

Neither. When I use the term backslide I use it as scripture does and that it is a term used for a people who are lost. No Christian can backslide. If you hold that any sin is to backslide then your understanding is very unique. Most teach that a backslider is someone who was saved, followed the Lord for a time, and feel away into not following him in their present condition. That cannot happen according to scripture 1John 3:9
So I am saying biblically a Christian cannot backslide.

We are just define the term differently!

Christians "backslide" any time they lose fellowship with God, when they sin against Him...
Confessing them restores fellowship again!
Another type is Christians stuck in "besitting sin" that can make it appear at times if really saved...

Since I hold to eternal security, bible does NOT refer to slidding out from salvation, but from fellowship with heavenly father, corected by confession/repentance!

 

[Iconoclast]

We are just define the term differently!

Christians "backslide" any time they lose fellowship with God, when they sin against Him...
Confessing them restores fellowship again!
Another type is Christians stuck in "besitting sin" that can make it appear at times if really saved...

Since I hold to eternal security, bible does NOT refer to slidding out from salvation, but from fellowship with heavenly father, corected by confession/repentance!

The term backslide is not used of christians.it is used 17 times in 3 OT books for apostate, rebellious Israelites who perish despite God's offer to restore any who would repent....they would not.
People incorrectly mis-use this term that God defines by it's usage.
Some try to preach it for a christian in decline,who needs to repent.When they do this...they are using the term not in the way God used it.

Spurgeon mis-used the term this way when he preached,trying to use it to urge unsaved church members to repent.

 

[freeatlast]

We are just define the term differently!

Christians "backslide" any time they lose fellowship with God, when they sin against Him...
Confessing them restores fellowship again!
Another type is Christians stuck in "besitting sin" that can make it appear at times if really saved...

Since I hold to eternal security, bible does NOT refer to slidding out from salvation, but from fellowship with heavenly father, corected by confession/repentance!

I understand that you may believe what you say, but the bible does not teach what you believe. The bible does not teach that we lose fellowship. In fact it teaches if we are saved we always have fellowship. I certainly admit that if we sin the fellowship may not a sweet because of the conviction of the Spirit and even discipline that may come, but the fellowship is never broken. In Paul's writing to the church at Corinth who it is clear are having some real problems, Paul writes these people who are having the problems.
God [is] faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Even if we sin the fellowship remains as the fellowship cannot be broken. No Christian can backslide.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[freeatlast]

The term backslide is not used of christians.it is used 17 times in 3 OT books for apostate, rebellious Israelites who perish despite God's offer to restore any who would repent....they would not.
People incorrectly mis-use this term that God defines by it's usage.
Some try to preach it for a christian in decline,who needs to repent.When they do this...they are using the term not in the way God used it.

Spurgeon mis-used the term this way when he preached,trying to use it to urge unsaved church members to repent.

YES! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
So Spurgeon is the guy who started this mess with blacksliding. :laugh: All joking aside it is not funny as it has no doubt left a many a persons believing they are saved while they continue in their sinning when they never got saved in the first place.

 

[JesusFan]

I understand that you may believe what you say, but the bible does not teach what you believe. The bible does not teach that we lose fellowship. In fact it teaches if we are saved we always have fellowship. I certainly admit that if we sin the fellowship may not a sweet because of the conviction of the Spirit and even discipline that may come, but the fellowship is never broken. In Paul's writing to the church at Corinth who it is clear are having some real problems, Paul writes these people who are having the problems.
God [is] faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Even if we sin the fellowship remains as the fellowship cannot be broken. No Christian can backslide.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

NOT from Gods point of view, but evert time that we commit sin, that we place ourselves in briken fellowship with God...

He is right there still, but we need to restore it from our side!

 

[freeatlast]

NOT from Gods point of view, but evert time that we commit sin, that we place ourselves in briken fellowship with God...

He is right there still, but we need to restore it from our side!

Let me ask you something. How is it that we have fellowship with God? Is it not because our sin is covered? Is all your sin covered by the blood of Jesus or only that before the cross and that which you confess now?

 

[DHK]

It is not possible for a believer to backslide as we are kept from the practice of sin.
1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.

Is that really true with you?
Have you never practiced sin? Pride? Arrogance? Gluttony? Lying? Anger? Lust? Covetousness (I wish I had...) ?

Do you love your neighbor as yourself--always? The meaning, as Jesus applied it, is putting missions (the people of the world--your neighbors in this small world--ahead of yourself)

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (Matthew 22:37)
--Do you practice this command--always. All your heart--always; all your mind-always? If you don't you practice sin.

There are sins of omission as well as commission. It is often the sins of omission that we forget about so easily. Like the one above, or;

Pray without ceasing.
Give thanks always.

Omitting those or failing to practicing them as often as Paul has commanded are just as grievous as committing murder. Sin is sin.

 

[freeatlast]

Is that really true with you?
Have you never practiced sin? Pride? Arrogance? Gluttony? Lying? Anger? Lust? Covetousness (I wish I had...) ?

Do you love your neighbor as yourself--always? The meaning, as Jesus applied it, is putting missions (the people of the world--your neighbors in this small world--ahead of yourself)

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (Matthew 22:37)
--Do you practice this command--always. All your heart--always; all your mind-always? If you don't you practice sin.

There are sins of omission as well as commission. It is often the sins of omission that we forget about so easily. Like the one above, or;

Pray without ceasing.
Give thanks always.

Omitting those or failing to practicing them as often as Paul has commanded are just as grievous as committing murder. Sin is sin.

Let me ask you something then I will answer you. Do you believe God's word as written?
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.