Did Jesus walk by faith

You have totaly failed to refute the true fact that according to the Gospels; Jesus of Nazaret did not have any divine atribute at all. That is also according to the kenosis doctrine teached by Paul.

Not only that. My teaching are not contradicting:
1 any baptist statement of faith
2 any evangelic statement of faith
3 any teaching of the reformers
4 any creed of the christian church
5 any teaching of the fathers
6 any verse or text in the Bible and/or NT

 

They disagree with all of those....

here it is again

Originally Posted by Skandelon View Post

A. Christ has SELF-EXISTENT life.

John 1:4 "In Him was life"
John 14:6 "I am the Life"
Acts 3:15 "the Prince (Author) of life"

B. Christ is ETERNAL.

Isaiah 9:6 "the everlasting Father" (or "the Father of eternity")
Micah 5:2 "whose goings forth have been of old, from everlasting"
Compare John 8:35; John 8:58; 1 John 1:2; 1 John 5:11.

C. Christ is UNCHANGEABLE.

Hebrews 1:10-12 "but thou art the same"
Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today and forever"

D. Christ is OMNIPRESENT.

See Matthew 28:20

E. Christ is OMNISCIENT.

See John 2:24-25 (compare Jeremiah 17:9-10);
John 6:64; 16:30; Colossians 2:3.
Examples:
Matthew 17:24-27
Luke 5:22
John 1:48
John 4:16-19
John 21:6

F. Christ is OMNIPOTENT.

See John 5:19
Philippians 3:20-21
Revelation 1:8 with Revelation 22:12-13 for identification.
Examples: Luke 4:39; Matthew 8:26-27; Mark 5:12-13; Luke 7:14-15; John 2:19-22

G. Christ is PERFECT.

(the term "perfect" as used in Scripture generally means "complete, nothing lacking")
See Colossians 1:19
Colossians 2:9-10

H. Christ is INFINITE.

See John 10:28
Ephesians 3:8
Colossians 2:3

I. Christ is INCOMPREHENSIBLE.

See Matthew 11:27
Ephesians 3:8
Ephesians 3:19

J. Christ is HOLY.

See Luke 1:35
Acts 3:14

K. Christ is TRUE.

See John 14:6
Revelation 3:7

L. Christ is LOVE.

See John 13:1
Romans 8:35-39
Ephesians 3:19
1 John 3:16 ASV

M. Christ is RIGHTEOUS.

See 2 Timothy 4:8
1 John 2:1

N. Christ is FAITHFUL.

See Revelation 3:14
Revelation 19:11

O. Christ is MERCIFUL.

See Jude 21
James 5:11 with 5:8 for identification

CONCLUSION – ATTRIBUTES

John 16:15 – "All things that the Father hath are mine" (every attribute that belongs to the Father belongs to Christ)

John 17:6 – Jesus prayed, "I have manifested Thy Name" (the "Name" of God as used in Scripture refers to God's character, that is, all that God is. Hence Jesus is saying, "I have shown what kind of a God You are. I have put Your Character on display.")

The Bible clearly teaches that in Christ all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form (see COLOSSIANS 2:9). LINK HERE>>>

 

i am not 100% sure. He "knew" it by faith before commencing hism ministery, before his baptism. How long before? I am not sure. He did birth without that knowledge or conviction. As a just born bay he was totaly unable to even understand what the Christ is. As he grew up and learned to speak, probably he commenced to hear the stories told by his parent. He intelect slowly grew and became aware of the fact he was Jew; learned abou a Christ, and eventually he realizes by faith that he was the Christ.

I hope you dont tell me that Jesus baby, the same day of his birth were omniscient and knew everything at all, including him being God, being the Christ, understanding all spoken lenguages in the planet, and the position of every star in the universe.

 

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Seriously, learn the quote feature I can't tell what your comments are. Jesus of Nazareth is God the Son. One in the same person. He didn't lose any attributes.

 

My pastor is a profesional who is an employee of a human organization with the name of Baptis Church. Unfortunatelly he have been educated to sing and to give nice speaches but know very litle of doctrine. I have shere with him many of my foundings and he answer with a nice smile and vague words.

Any how, not being a servant of the Lord (him), I really dont care about what is his opinion on any issue. In the baptis church were I have been baptized, where i was accepted as member. where I did assist for so many years, I found communion with my brother christians and not neceraerely we talk about christology.

 

At least we have you admitting it now. A good step in the right direction. You have a baptist pastor and disagree with him.... hmmm...sounds like you don't have baptist doctrine.

 

God the Son did empty himself of all divine atributes. For the period of time that God the Son where in earth as Jesus of Nazaret he did not have any divine atributes. Before that and after that it is clear that he had all divine atributes. Quoting verses where God the Son have atributes before experimenting the kenosis dont prove that he continues to have them after the kenosis.

You have totally and absolutelly to show a single divine atribute on God the Son after kenosis. Because of the kenosis God the Son did give away all the divine atributes he had before the kenosis.

Is it that hard?
can you quote of a divine attribute of God the Son after his incarnation as Jesus of Nazaretrh?

 

Have you ever hear of Paul being short and having problems in the eyes? I have hear it and read it many time and in many places. Is it irrelevant? probably not, because it has been repeated over and over. Is it impostant to question our salvation? Not at all, but still is good to know.

My teaching do not hany impact on our salvation, or any other doctrine. It is like discussing if a christian can divorce, if a divorced man converted to christian can married. Actually is not that deep, but yet it is important.

First, we have Jesus who lived like a christian. Then we can take him as an example of what must be and more impportant of what can be our life.

Jesus did live without any superpower. He did not have any advantage over us. He did not know anything that we can know. He was not capable of anything we can not.

Jesus lived in the power of the Holy Spirit. Actually is his own spirit.

Jesus was free form the condition of sin. In difference with all other men, he was not slave of the sin. He could choose not to sin, or choose to sin, he choose not to sin. In the same manner we, now, are free for the slavery of sin.

Today, we, as christians have exactly the same conditions of Jesus to live. There is not excuse because Jesus didnt have any advantage over us.
Jesus lived by faith.
Jesus lived on pry.
Jesus lived in obedience.
Jesus lived with no supernatutal power or capacity.
Jesus lived in the power of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus didnt know the future or anything else.
Jesus - in plain talking - lived as a regular christian.

one more.
we can undeerstand if Jesus not having any divine atributes continues to be God - fully God - then we understand that God is God because He is; not for what He has. Not for what atributes He has. The atributes dont make a God. God makes the atributes. God is above the atributes and dont depend on them.

probably there is more consecuences or benefits to know how Jesus is.

 

Sure, I just did for the 5th time. Because you want to explain it away doesn't make them not attributes of Jesus. Jesus didn't lose any of his divine attributes. You misunderstand that term and have been proven wrong. You have no business posting here in the baptist board and I just remembered that. This is my last response to you.

 

Obviously that was the misinterpretation of the disciples.
Obviously it was too many things that Jesus did not know. I will not go again and again and again demostrting that Jesus was notomniscient. That have been proved enough.

 

Jesus - for example - did not know what it was giving to him at the cross. that is want thing that Jesus didnt know. That is a prove that Jesus didnt know everything.

do not insult me.
you are reported

 

Ok
did you run out of argument deffending the false doctrine of the omniscience of Jesus?

 

Jesus knew exactly what was given to him. Why do you assert things that are false.
1. He was given vinegar the first time. If I were given vinegar I would know it before it 10 feet away before it reached me. I would be able to smell it. It has such a strong acrid smell, it cannot be mistaken. Of course he knew what was being given to him at that time. You are insulting his intelligence.

2. The second time he was offered something to drink he refused because he knew what it was. It contained a narcotic, something to dumb the senses. He refused because he wanted to take the entire burden of sin upon himself--to feel the pain of it all--as the Scripture says: "to endure the cross," not just a part of it. So he refused it, knowing full well what it would do to him. You deny the Scriptures and in doing so insult the intelligence of Jesus. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

I need to report you for false reporting of Jesus.