Is it Typical In IFB Churches?

The problem is that Luke2427's take on KJVO simply isn't reality. I am KJVP (probably KJVO by yours and Luke2427's standards). I go to a KJVO church. I've been to other KJVO churches. I know many KJVO people.

Here's what Luke2427 says on KJVO:

So, let's break down the arguments.

1. KJVO is divisive. Something is divisive, so it's heresy? Please, let's move on.

2. KJVO is a new doctrine invented by people who do not CARE about what the rest of the Body of Christ has ALWAYS believed. New doctrine? well, considering that modern version didn't exist until somewhat recently, it sort of has to be new.

3. It condemns all Christians who use other versions as either lost altogether or replacing the Word of God with evil perversions of God's Word. This is simply false. KJVO does not say that people are lost if they use another version. They may say that other versions are perversions or not accurate translations of God's Word, but this is a far cry from basing someone's salvation on a particular version.

4. KJVO brings into question the orthodox view of inspiration and replaces it with a weird, twisted view of double inspiration. Simply not true. Double inspiration is something held by a very few, very limited, and very fringe group of people. The vast majority of KJVO do not hold this view. Even the "Sword of the Lord" folks that Luke2427 like to rail against don't hold to double inspiration (see article on God's Word in this Sword of the Lord http://www.swordofthelord.com/SwordWeb.pdf).

 

Once again, KJVO followers do not say this. A very small, very limited, and very fringe group might. The vast majority of KJVO do not hold to this.

 

I took over the pastorate of such a church. This church was associated with many other like churches and pastors/evangelists. Even after candidating, and knowing I used the KJV but did not preach ABOUT the KJV I was brought in.

I actually had a deacon, while we were on vacation, tell the church from the pulpit "I don't care what our preacher says, if you are using anything other than the 1611, you're going to Hell!" That was his last stand as a deacon.

The sad thing is, the same will tell you Jesus is the only way to heaven. Which is it? Jesus only, or Jesus and the Bible you use?

Yep, I'd call that heresy.

 

I don't judge a person on the version one uses, so your feeling that I would call you KJVO is unfounded. You really haven't paid attention to what I really believe. Quit lumping me into a group, which is what you are accusing me of doing to you, which I haven't.

By the way divisive and heresy are the same thing. It is disunity, divisiveness, schismatic, party as in divided from the rest.

 

There is not a single verse which states that the KJVO is a Scriptural doctrine. There were other English translations which predated the KJV: Tyndale, Wycliffe, Geneva, etc...

I've heard KJVO'ers call non-KJV users "heretical" on many occasions.

This presupposes that He is leading them to hold to the KJVO position; which is historically fallacious & Biblically unfounded.

 

Basically, IF those holding to KJVO would realise that the church NEVER has held to such a position until recent times, and that even others holding to KJV preferened due to text used of the TR, would agruethat other versions are still "OK" to be used, then we all could get along!

 

So long as we can define just what the positions are held by both sides, would make it easier to jave a chrsitian like discussion/dialog moving forward!

 

My comment wasn't meant to lump you into a group, so I apologize if it came across that way. I simply meant that I classify myself as KJVP, but would likely be classified as KJVO by others, because I don't believe that there is another English version that is true to God's Word. I am open to other English versions being created (which is why I call myself KJVP), but I don't currently believe they exist. By most people's standards I would be KJVO, I hope that clarifies.

If divisiveness and heresy are the same thing, then shall we apply that test to Calvinism, The Gospel, Jesus Christ, literal creation? All these things are divisive, would you call them heresy?

 

I said from my experience, which is vastly different from yours, the type of IFB church you describe is in the minority.

Read carefully. Missouri wasn't the only state that I mentioned. I realize that it is in other states. I have personally traveled through more than 60% of your states, and have visited a good part of the IFB churches in each one. I am not the one that is blind here.

And perhaps it is. Perhaps there maybe such a church in every state. Then praise God that you will have a Baptist church in every state that preaches the gospel. The closest thing within two hours of the town my son lives in that preaches the gospel is a Pentecostal church. So thank the Lord that there are churches that preach the gospel even though they are not your stripe and color, nor mine. However, they are in the minority. I do know that much.

Then do this for me. Make a comprehensive list of all colleges that you believe are IFB or where IFB churches would send their college students (not KJVO only, but all IFB churches), thus that would include places like BJU. Then out of all those colleges how many of them are KJVO, and which ones would they be. I only know of two or three. And there are a lot of colleges.

I didn't say more in Ohio. I said there are some in Ohio as well.

Your opinion is not truth. If you are so right on this issue, then document it. You haven't been truthful one bit. You have attacked, but not with facts. You have thrown out your opinions about the IFB, the KJVO, etc., but you have not backed up anything with facts. Document what you say or it is your character, your attitude that is put in question.

You have shared opinion. Truth comes with evidence.

 

That I do agree with. however in my many years of IFB experience I have never heard the bit about can't be saved by MVs. And yes, if anbody said that i would agree that it is heresy.

But, it is heresy because it is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit that saves us, not the Bible version we get it from.

I really don't believe there is a sin called "blasphemy of the Modern Bible Version".

When these people condemn a modern version they are just condemning a book, it is not the same as condemning God Himself.

Frankly, I think that because of the number of modern translations out today, that money must be the motivating factor in the writing of at least some of them. Why would God want to sanction so many different versions and cause so much confusion? I don't think He has, but that is just my opinion.

Some people are just greedy.

John

 

Isn't it true that all of those holding to KJVO hold to essentially that all other versions are in error/satanic in origin, that KJV is ONLY word of God for today, and that KJV was preserved by God!

Those holding to KJVP would hold to that mainly due to feeling that greek text based upon, TR, superior to CT of modern versions!

 

I've attended two IFB colleges, both of which I would consider to be KJVO. (I myself am KJVP). I considered these two colleges to both be at the far spectrum of KJVO, as in they only allow preaching from KJV (and only other KJVO were allowed to preach there), KJV is the only bible allowed in the college, and I have heard teaching against using MVs. However, among these two colleges, even with their strong KJVO stance, I have never heard anyone ever say that you can't be saved using another bible. I have even seen hardcore KJVO proponents pick up an NIV and lead someone to Christ.

Any type of KJVO these people held was only taught to those already saved. Even new converts coming into the congregation of th church were not ridiculed or ostracized for bringing in MVs. Yes, they were 'educated' on why the church/college believed in KJVO. But they didn't hold to what everyone else is touting that KJVO hold to.

My church experience isn't as widespread as some on here. I've only listened to about 150 to 200 different pastors preach, I'd say. And out of those, not a single one that I recall has stated that you can't get saved out of a MV (even the ones who called any MV a 'perversion', etc), although almost 100% called themselves KJVO.

 

Thank, you, John, from a KJVO person. I don't care what version of the Bible YOU use, but as for me and my house, we will use the King James.
It is the only version of the Bible that was ever in my Southern Baptist home when I was growing up, and I don't NEED another version, King James is all I care to read.

 

No, it is not true. I go to an IFB church that is KJVO, but nobody there says the all the others are satanic in origin. We do believe that satan has a foot in the door on quite a few versions FOR SURE. When key words are left out, and meanings are changed, then satan is in the door. The Word of God cannot and should not be altered or changed to suit just anybody's whim.

My daughter-in-law was saved out of an NIV, by the way.

 

I know of a college in OK that is KJVO. As a matter of fact, this is what they believe and adhere to as a distinctive. It is the very first and top distinctive in their list of distinctives.

I've called them to confirm this position just now. Do they preach that if you use another version you are going to hell, cannot be saved &c...not necessarily, but I do know some who would more likely than not go that far. They are however a KJVO school.

I just now got off the phone from a return call from said college. The gentleman (who was one of my professors from the College I attended btw) spoke of several KJVO churches in my town that he knows of. This is what their College developes, KJVO pastors. Are they Ruckmanites? No, but they do in fact preach KJVO as a distinctive.

It looks to me there are many KJVO churches out there. I'd dare say some of these more than likely go to some extreme with the issue.

 

What's the college? Let us look and decide for ourselves if they do these things.

 

IF you hold that the KJV is ONLY version in English for the church to use, that ALL other modern versions NOT based off the TR are satanic in origin/influence, that the KJV only was supernaturally preserved by God for us...

That woukld meet the criteria to be "heretical KJVO"

IF you believe that the KJV is the best version for today, that the TR greek text is the best,and that it is the one to use...

KJVP, not heretical!