Romans 16:20 is a Strong Proof of Christ's 70 AD Return

That is a thought!

 

Is that a yes or a no or a dodge?

 

Neither! I am just suggesting to you as the Apostle Paul told Timothy:

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

Thanks for the response logos1. I'll rebut later. Right now my wife and I are chaperons on a retreat with our church teens.

No need to belittle yourself. In reality we agree in the fundamentals including the Second Coming, that is to say, that there is a second coming of Jesus Christ predicted in the NT. But concerning that point we disagree on the timing and details.

One very important detail is that futurists view the second coming as being globally visible with a bodily return which "every eye will see" and yet to come.

Basically I believe preterism goes overboard with re-assigning values or allegorization of what seems to be plain phrases in natural narratives in several places in the scripture to be taken at face value.

Ironically, this is what futurists are said to do (by preterists) with the phrase "shortly".

Admitedly there are problems in all futurists views, however they are relatively fewer by a long shot than preterist issues.

Thanks again

HankD

 

So your not going to give an answer? Is it because in answering you contradict your own view? You have been very free with answers up till now so I can only assume you cannot answer.

 

I am not contradicting myself because Scripture does not contradict itself.

Assume what you wish!

I am assuming that you are sufficiently mature to understand what the Apostle Paul meant!

 

I'll assume your directing that scripture at yourself and not me.

 

Response to Logos1

Christ first appearance was literal and physical.
We are promised the same for His return.

Acts 1
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

We are also told in a plain narrative that it will be visible and acknowledged even by the world:

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

The NT has a better both literal and visible manifestation of His glory, The Incarnation:

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

On the contrary Israel did indeed hear the Trump of God:

Exodus 19
16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.
17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.
18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.
19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.

The purpose of meeting Him in the air is to remove His people from the final wrath of God upon the inhabited earth.

Noah and his family, Lot and His family are types of this “snatching away-harpazo” from God’s retribution.

We, NT believers will meet Him in the air, but our final destination, the hiding place for His children, is not revealed.
Many presume it to be heaven.

Psalm 91
8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;

Psalm 27:5 For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.

Isaiah 26
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.


HankD

 

OK Thanks Logos1.

HankD