Penal Substitution

Jesus is God. Do you believe that? He is God in the OT and He is God in the NT. Jesus created everything. Of course He affirmed both the OT and the NT writings.

 

Again, tell me where he affirmed the extermination of children, either by his words or example.

 

Well, then it shouldn't be hard to use the word "infallible" to the Word of God.

What Bible passage are you referring to?

 

He also turned over the tax gatherers tables too. "Maybe you should take a closer look at Him."

 

Then by that reasoning you and others shouldn't object to the use of the word "infallible" as applied to the pope.

Infallible man? Infallible book? Neither -- infallible God only.

 

And he killed them, too, right?

Maybe you should take a closer look at Him.

 

Michael,

All scripture is God breathed...even this one;

This was commanded by the God of jn 3:16...as was the flood that destroyed all but 8 souls......if you do not believe it ,you are denying the word of God as an unbeliever would.
It is one thing to not understand...but another to deny.

All scripture is God breathed...not cultural, or impressions the people had..
Thus saith the Lord...means Thus saith the Lord.

 

All I can say is, I don't believe the God and Father of Jesus ever ordered the extermination of the innocent. I know I'm repeating myself; I'll try not to do that again. But I wanted to reply to you.

Judge me as you wish, but God is my final judge, and the One that counts.

 

How does that even come close to logical? How does God's word = pope's word?

Sorry, but that's completely wrong.
2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,"

 

So that's what you have to say after a direct word of God was given to you? We gave you where God himself said something.

 

Perhaps it was a great demonstration of his mercy.
Perhaps He knew that had those innocent (those under the age of accountability), had they grown up, would have grown up to be idolaters, hateful, rejecting the God of Israel, and thus condemning themselves to Hell. In this way God took them to heaven before they could make that decision.
It is the same way in abortions. I believe all those aborted infants will be in heaven. That is the silver lining. It is an example of the mercy of God.

However, for those that were guilty, they got what they justly deserved. What were they "innocent" of? We are ALL worthy of God's condemnation. There is no one that has ever lived that has merited eternal life.

 

That is one way of looking at it. I've thought about that before. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I see where you're coming from.

 

Michael,

Thank you for responding. I think I understand in a way what you are thinking.....but again.....there are way too many texts...that you would have to avoid for what you are setting forth.

Look at it this way...someone else posted that there are no innocent persons.
here are a few more examples;

Michael these are clear.....

The nations were completely defiled [unless Van wants to re-interpret to mean that they were not defiled everyday] But lets just go with what Moses says....as God had Moses write it. There are many such texts that have to be addressed.......I am not asking you to do that right now...take some time and look at some of the historical commentators...like Matthew Henry.

 

Oh, I know the depths of evil to which humanity can sink, and how vile humans can become. Take Hitler, for example. I think he deserved whatever he got -- and then he got off too light.

I still have trouble with children suffering and being killed, but I get your point and the point of the scriptures you quoted.

 

:applause::applause::applause:

 

Michael, when we compare a child to Hitler, I can see your point. However, we cannot compare people to other people. We must compare to God. God is holy. Children, like the rebellious ones in the example are not holy. We all deserve hell. One is either holy or not holy. There are no innocent people. All are sinners.

 

MW,

This world is not our home, as our citizenship is in heaven. God does not delight in the death of the wicked...but apart from repentance they will die and go to the Judgement.
If the wicked are cut-off early it is less sin that they will commit and accumulate.

47And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

 

And yet surely you would agree that God does not hold children accountable and therefore treats them differently than those who are accountable.

 

All are accountable for their actions. All people including children deserve hell because we all have sinned against an infinite holy God.

 

So, you believe that infants and children who die go to hell?