Before we are born again we have one nature and that is a fleshly nature, but when we are born again we have two natures, the fleshly nature and the spiritual nature, that why Paul taught us about the warfare that goes on inside of the born again person. We still carry the baggage of our fleshly nature after we are born again. Man, in his fleshly nature, is a depraved creature, and still does at times commit sins even though he is born of the Spirit. Thats why man must have many timely salvations (deliverances) while he lives here on this earth.
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matthew 22 Parable wedding Feast/many called few chosen!
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I don't know what version of the bible you study from, but the KJV in Gal 2:16 says "faith of Christ" and some versions have changed the wording to say "faith in Christ", which changes the faith to be man's faith instead of Christ's faith. Man's faith does not justify him, but Christ's faith (faithfulness) is what justifies man.Nope - it has nothing to do with the version. They all say the same thing.
convicted1
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Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. What does Jesus "hope" for? What has Jesus not seen?
Kudos!! You have just impugned the omniscience of God. Like I have said repeatedly, keep spitting in His face; you're doing a wonderful job of it.
Oh, and FTR, the KJV is a "version" as well, ya know?
convicted1
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Well, if we need many "timely" salvations, then God did a poor job at saving us, eh? Keep it up, you're doing wonderful!! :tear:
How many more times are you going to attempt to belittle God with this junk?
It is alarming how man tries to take credit away from God and applies it to himself, and then says that he does not believe in eternal salvation by works!
convicted1
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I have no clue what you are saying here. Who is trying to apply credit to themselves on here? Your strawman is on fire, and nearly burnt up.
Eternal salvation is a gift period. If it was a work, we then earned it. We could never earn eternal salvation, God gives it to us......
When we obey God's commandments, God rewards us for our obedience, that is a timely deliverance. You are the one that is belittling God by taking credit for your eternal salvation instead of giving God credit. Anytime a salvation verse says man has to do something to earn it, it is a timely salvation (deliverance) and not eternal.
convicted1
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OMG, where did you get this mixed up theology at, Wal-Mart??
I give God ALL the glory for Him saving me.
This needing to be repeatedly saved means that God did a poor job the first time.....:tear:
It does not surprise me that you don't have a clue as to what I am saying. When a salvation scripture indicates an action on man's part, then it is not talking about eternal salvation, but a timely salvation. Eternal salvation is by the grace of God without the works of man, but on the other hand, a timely salvation (deliverance) is earned by the works of man.
convicted1
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Well, no one else on here has a clue about what you are espousing, either. Just saying......
I fully understand that. Jesus said there would only be "a few".
convicted1
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Gotcha! So PBs = the select few I see.
The elect of the elect, the remnant of the remnant.....
The only way you will ever see the diffrence in the salvation scriptures is by the revelation of the Holy Spirit. The doctrine of Christ is the most comforting doctrine than any of man's doctrines. It is a shame that only a few do understand it.
Now your getting it. All scripture will harmonise if received with this understanding. Many called (the elect) but few chosen (the elect). The wide gate (the elect) and the strait gate (the elect), Matt 7:13-14. And many other scriptures that teach the same thing.Gotcha! So PBs = the select few I see.
The elect of the elect, the remnant of the remnant.....
Actually Forest, Willis doesn't get it, his intent is to be sarcastic and act confused in order to smear the PBs. His kind are similar to the Jews or the JWs, they intensely desire the vindication they believe will be their's when there will only be a very very few that will 'make it' to heaven, all the while dead certain that they themselves are included in those few that 'make it'.
You're dead spot on with your take of the above passage, but that is one of their foremost primary heaven or hell passages that they rely on to show only a very very few will 'make it' to heaven, and heaven and hell aren't even mentioned, they must force it into the passage.
Many were redeemed out of Egypt by the blood of the lamb, very very very few 'made it' into the land of milk & honey, the sabbath rest of God.
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There's a point where your sarcasm and facetiousness makes you appear very stupid Willis, and unbecoming.
Do you know what OMG typically stands for?
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convicted1
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In no way, did I ever intend on smearing the PBs, Brother Larry. In actuality, the "few" who do make, will be a number that no man can number. It's "few" in relation to the amount who will perish for eternity, though.
That which I bolded, I agree with.
convicted1
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I did not intend on harming you Brother Larry, but when I slammed forest's beliefs, I slammed yours as well. Point well taken.
I much, much, much respect for you, and anything that I post, is aimed at a theological system, and not the individual. Please accept my sincerest apology, if I hurt you in any way.
BTW, OMG = Oh My God!!!