Is Cal/Non-Cal important enough to divide?

[seekingthetruth]

Calvinism's not a sin; it's simply an exercise of the academic talents with which God endued man. I think it's a flawed exercise, but an exercise nonetheless.

Teaching a false doctrine is a sin.

John

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Of course salvation is by grace through faith. No Christian denies that!

Exactly....& thats what the Calvinist thinks....not the other way around.....so we are simpatico on this

 

[jonathan.borland]

Teaching a false doctrine is a sin.

John

Since we all don't have the same interpretations on things, I guess all of us are in sin then?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Calvinism's not a sin; it's simply an exercise of the academic talents with which God endued man. I think it's a flawed exercise, but an exercise nonetheless.

Now your "thinking" (IE., assuming) instead of knowing.....brother, forgive me if I appear to criticize, but that is a textbook case of fostering an opinion. I'd rather you say unequivocally that you know something, or conversely that you do not. If there is a question about it then just don't say it.

For your own edification, Doctrines of Grace believers come in all walks of life, from regular folks to the well educated and all will agree that their faith is derived from what they read in the bible. We have hopefully demonstrated that to anyone in here (BB)who can read. Sadly, this is not the church's finest hour. We all live in an age of weak theology & casual Christian conduct. If you wish to marginalize , then look to those folks that enter the church with with secular, humanistic, relativistic, materialist & anti-intellectual agenda's who will corrupt & destroy; not the Calvinist wishing to Honor & Glorify God. In that regard, I am convinced that you are on the wrong path. True Christianity needs to be unifying.

 

[jonathan.borland]

Yeah, it's an opinion. Na und? What's this BB for if not spouting opinions about stuff. If you want to be wrong you're in good company, but if you want to be right you better get with me on this one!

 

[DaChaser1]

Tom recently described the SBC, and his church, thusly:



-Main Question: Is this a positive state for an individual church, or a group of churches as a whole, to be in? I for one would say yes, as it also described my church. (also SBC)

-Icon responded to Tom with this statement:


-If I am reading Icon correctly, it seems he would say that this is not really a good state for things to be in, as it means the Cals are not being direct enough in their attemts to convince everyone else of the truth and importance of their beliefs. (if I have mis-read Icon, I appologize, but I'm sure there are others who would say this as well).

-If you are Cal, should Cals force the Cal issue in their churches and denominations?

-If you are non-cal, should we simply form separate churches and conventions for the Cals?

think that IF one defines a cal as one holding to their doctrines of DoG for Sotierology, able to co assist well, THAT is happening in my own church now!

IF defined as how reform baptsit would see it though...

Probably lot harder to peacefully co exist!

 

[DaChaser1]

-There is much truth in what you say. Are you basically saying that it is sinful attitudes that necessitate divide, or could there be a case in which two groups peacefully and respectfully decide to divide a church because the members who love and care for each other cannot agree on this issue, and it distracts from other ministry?

-For example, I heard of one person at a conference (who would probably be described as being aggresivly calvinist) say that we may need to see some "good" church splits on this issue for the good of the people and churches involved. He got a lot of flack for saying that, but does he have a point?

My pastor Evangelical non call, elders DoG, split in the congregation...

We respect each others views"joke around" with it...

Still maintain love and unity of the body, as Christ died for, and Paul commanded us to do!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yeah, it's an opinion. Na und? What's this BB for if not spouting opinions about stuff. If you want to be wrong you're in good company, but if you want to be right you better get with me on this one!

Well there is a declarative statement for you....congrats, now the agenda comes out....... OK here is my question, Get with you on what?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

think that IF one defines a cal as one holding to their doctrines of DoG for Sotierology, able to co assist well, THAT is happening in my own church now!

IF defined as how reform baptsit would see it though...

Probably lot harder to peacefully co exist!

You read what Icono said.....right?

 

[DaChaser1]

-If I am reading Icon correctly, it seems he would say that this is not really a good state for things to be in, as it means the Cals are not being direct enough in their attempts to convince everyone else of the truth and importance of their beliefs. (if I have mis-read Icon, I appologize, but I'm sure there are others who would say this as well).

BINGO!

isn;t that though work of the HS to convict and reprove ALl of us in biblcal doctrine?

Think that jesus meant it when he commanded us to love one another, and to keep the unity of his body IF at all possible!

Don't thin dividing on this issue rises up to the level of heretical doctrines being epoused!

non cals fail to see the truth o0f just HOW God saves, but their gospel still used by God to save!

 

[jonathan.borland]

OK here is my question, Get with you on what?

On the correct interpretation of foreknowledge and election of course!

 

[DaChaser1]

how bout if you take the position that you see the teachings of salvation by grace in the gospel?

how about the DoG explain best HOW God saves us, but that nON cals still preach/teach a saving Gospel?

 

[DaChaser1]

What did God himself say?

Amo 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

How about some NT!

that we united and now One in/by/through Christ!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

On the correct interpretation of foreknowledge and election of course!

Oh & what is that?

 

[DaChaser1]

Teaching a false doctrine is a sin.

John

then why do you keep persisiting in it though?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

then why do you keep persisiting in it though?

Expose the hidden agenda DaChaser & you will find your answer.

 

[jonathan.borland]

Oh & what is that?

The one you want to have if you want to be right! Stop asking such easy questions!

 

[DaChaser1]

Expose the hidden agenda DaChaser & you will find your answer.

if those holding to Divine election based upon Will of God, not on us, left the BB...

Not much left over to dispute!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

how about the DoG explain best HOW God saves us, but that nON cals still preach/teach a saving Gospel?

Do they now? Ive no proof of that? Is a non cal also an arminian?

now the doctrines of grace folks I know point to one central truth.... salvation is all of grace because it is all of God; and because it is all of God, it is all to His glory.

 

[mandym]

now the doctrines of grace folks I know point to one central truth.... salvation is all of grace because it is all of God; and because it is all of God, it is all to His glory.

And non cals hold tot he exact same thing.