What Specific Things Today Would We As Believers Need Faith For?

[DHK]

It is a shame the way you try to handle the word of God.

First, you try to use the scripture to call me a liar. When I explained that to you, you tried two more scriptures to say I am a liar.
1 John 1:8, 10 is about becoming a Christian. It is about Jesus saving us. We must admit we are sinners.
You cannot try to use the Word of God against me.

You are saying John the Apostle wasn't a Christian. He used the word "we."

 

[menageriekeeper]

No, I absolutely believe that salvation is indeed a 'license to sin". Shocking isn't it? On the other hand I do not do these things that I am now at liberty to do, because those things do nothing to further the Kingdom of God. Rather, there is a list of fruits of the Spirit that I wish to attain and I want that much more than I want...well whatever else it might be that I want. This is because God gave me a new nature. The new me sometimes must do battle with the fleshly me and the new nature will ALWAYS WIN in the end because the bonds of sin are broken.

 

[Moriah]

You are saying John the Apostle wasn't a Christian. He used the word "we."

Paul IS a Christian that is why he says we.

 

[DHK]

Paul IS a Christian that is why he says we.

1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Paul did not write the First Epistle of John; John did.
John, saying "we" includes himself. You say he is not saved, as you did here:

1 John 1:8, 10 is about becoming a Christian. It is about Jesus saving us. We must admit we are sinners.
You cannot try to use the Word of God against me.

 

[David Lamb]

There is no evidence that Christians get a better deal from God in this life. Only thing Jesus promised his followers in THIS life is hard times and then pie in the sky, by and by.

Bill, does the phrase "pie in the sky" have a different meaning in the USA to what it means in the UK? Here, it means "something described in glowing terms which is not likely to happen". Yet the promises of Jesus are sure and certain. They will happen, no doubt about it. 2 Corinthians 1.18-20:

18 But as God is faithful, our word to you was not Yes and No. 19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us––by me, Silvanus, and Timothy––was not Yes and No, but in Him was Yes. 20 For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.

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No "pie in the sky" there, at least in the "British English" meaning of that phrase!

 

[Moriah]

1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Paul did not write the First Epistle of John; John did.
John, saying "we" includes himself. You say he is not saved, as you did here:

Stop with your idiotic inflammatory remarks saying I said Jesus did not save John or any Apostle. Just because you do not understand the scripture, or something I said does not give you an excuse to write idiotic inflammatory remarks.
You miss the point. If anyone says that they have not sinned.
In addition, no one has said a Christian never sins. You however have a skewed belief that sides with sin. It is not normal for Christians to sin, as you have stated. It is not normal that you think Apostle Paul had a miserable existence with never overcoming sin.

 

[DHK]

Stop with your idiotic inflammatory remarks saying I said Jesus did not save John or any Apostle. Just because you do not understand the scripture, or something I said does not give you an excuse to write idiotic inflammatory remarks.
You miss the point. If anyone says that they have not sinned.
In addition, no one has said a Christian never sins. You however have a skewed belief that sides with sin. It is not normal for Christians to sin, as you have stated. It is not normal that you think Apostle Paul had a miserable existence with never overcoming sin.

I am not sure what you think the Apostle Paul has to do with the writings of John.
The verse in question teaches Christians sin, something you seem to deny, at least at times you seem to deny this. So I pull you back here. If you say you are sinless "you make Christ a liar and the truth is not in you."

Do you sin?
How often?
Every day?

What about 1John 1:10?
It applies to you. You are not sinless. If you say that you are you make Christ a liar and the truth is not in you. Therefore it should not be difficult for you to answer those three simple questions.

What about 1John 1:9
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
--How often do you avail yourself of this wonderful promise?
Every day? Or just once in a while in your lifetime?

 

[billwald]

>Bill, does the phrase "pie in the sky" have a different meaning in the USA to what it means in the UK? Here, it means "something described in glowing terms which is not likely to happen".

I've never taken it that way but you may be right. I've only heard it used in reference to our hope of heaven.

The whole thread and its title seems goofy to me.

 

[JoReba]

Back a couple years ago, I was at work, and I heard two co-workers talking about a nurse that worked on the floor. They stated that this nurse's daughter had a tumor and when they did her surgery, she'd be deaf. At first it worried me, not knowing if this girl was saved or not, and by being deaf, it could make it harder in regards to hearing the Word preached if she was lost. All of a sudden, I had this "feeling" come over me that she wasn't going to be deaf after the surgery. When one of them left, she was a sinner, the one who remained, I asked her what they were talking about(she is a christian). After she explained to me the circumstances, I told her to not think that I am trying to be a prophet, but I have this feeling she's not going to go deaf. Later that night, I went and spoke with the nurse, and she told me what was wrong. Her daughter was already deaf in one ear, and the tumor was on the side where he hearing was. When they removed the tumor, she would lose her hearing as well. They were going to cut around her ear(through the skull), and remove it that way. I then told her what I earlier told my co-worker. So, the next morning, I went home, and sent emails, and even requested prayer on here in the prayer forum. I took the nurse's cell phone #, because they did the surgery in Los Angeles; that was the only place they did this type of surgery.

About 3-4 weeks later, I called her to find out how everything went. Here's where faith comes to fruition. When they got to the hospital in L.A., the dr's took another look at her MRI on disc, and they stated they must have looked at the MRI backwards. They said the tumor was on the side where the hearing was gone, and not on the side of her good ear. She told me that she still had the MRI disc, and that I could look for myself, but she stated emphatically, that the tumor was on the side of her hearing originally. I did not need to see it to believe it, because I know our God is a miracle worker.


W/O faith, we are useless weapons in God's army. W/O faith, we can not utter up one prayer that will be answered. W/O prayer, none of the sick can be healed. W/O faith, we are hopeless, and helpless people.

And FTR, this nurse's daughter today, has 80% hearing.....not bad for someone who was supposed to be deaf after her surgery, eh? Our God is an AWESOME God!!! :godisgood::jesus::godisgood::jesus:

Faith is not a "feeling." Study Scripture to understand your experiences, rather than studying your experiences to understand Scripture.

The time is at hand for you to change and mature in The Lord.

 

[seekingthetruth]

Faith is not a "feeling." Study Scripture to understand your experiences, rather than studying your experiences to understand Scripture.

The time is at hand for you to change and mature in The Lord.

Wow, maybe you should take your own advice to heart.

John

 

[JoReba]

Last year my 21 year old daughter was diagnosed with a baseball sized tumor on her pancreas. The gastroenterologist stood outside her hospital room with us as she was heavily medicated and he told us that we had our choice of doctors around the country because this was such a rare tumor that insurance and costs meant nothing. The top doctors in the country would want her as a patient because this would mean more studies and journals and notariety.

To make a long story short, after 3 weeks of waiting due to dangerous complications, my daughter finally had the surgery under a team of the top physicians in the world. We thought we were finished with the issue but we had only just started. My daughter started vomiting 2 days after the surgery and didn't stop for 11 days. The doctors finally came into my daughter's room and said "We don't know what else to do. We don't know what's causing this so we can't fix it." They were at the end of their ability.

What do you do when your daughter is literally throwing up her insides? She is vomiting every 3-7 minutes around the clock for 11 days? She's now on supplimental nutrition because she's had surgery - and was extremely ill for 3 weeks before the surgery as well?

When we were given the diagnosis of the tumor, we cried. We were not ready to lose our firstborn but we talked with her and we prayed. On the way home from the hospital, my husband and I decided that if we knew God at all, we needed to have faith in Him that He would take care of her - whether she made it through this or not. So we put her on the altar.

Well, after the doctor had said that they didn't know what else to do, we did what we could do. We prayed. We anointed her with oil. We kissed her goodnight and we went home to get a few hours sleep. When my husband went in early the next morning, God had honored that faith. She was healed. What did the doctor say? He came running over to my husband and said "I don't know what happened but something happened last night and Lauren is better!!!" We knew what happened. The following week after she was home, I brought her in for her follow-up appointment. The doctor sat down in the chair, looked me in the eye and said "I don't know what happened to your daughter. I did what I did surgically but I didn't fix her. Something was wrong with her and we never figured out what it was and suddenly she was better and I had nothing to do with it."

What do we believers need faith for? That's just one example.

Millions of Believers over time have prayed and anointed with oil their morbidly sick and dying family and other loved ones with no effect, and with no healing.

Faith does not work for the vast majority of sick Believers as you have tried to say it does. Please stop misrepresenting God's Word.

 

[JoReba]

You need faith to walk by faith. You need to faith to carry out the Great Commission for example--to go into all the world and preach the gospel.

He that forsakes not all that he has cannot be my disciple. Have you done that. Do you have that faith, faith enough to forsake everything for Christ, and go to a foreign nation (like Saudia Arabia) and preach the gospel where it has never been preached before.

You are confusing, as do most Church Pewsitters, the difference between faith and obedience. And, as well, you are "Chatting!!" about other Churchy sounding topics as if they relate to faith.

Can you tell us what you need to have by faith in your mind in order to obey God?

 

[seekingthetruth]

Millions of Believers over time have prayed and anointed with oil their morbidly sick and dying family and other loved ones with no effect, and with no healing.

Faith does not work for the vast majority of sick Believers as you have tried to say it does. Please stop misrepresenting God's Word.

Sometimes God's plans are not the same as ours.

What you said here is very cold and unchristianlike.

Why are you here on the BB? Just to make trouble?

Do you hate God?

What is your agenda?

John

 

[JoReba]

Ann, what a wonderful testimony of faith and God's healing power! Thank you for sharing it with us. When our backs are against the wall, and we have come to the end of ALL our hoarded and often 'failure proned' resources, we have a God to put our faith in!

Do you ever go to a secular doctor for medical care?

 

[seekingthetruth]

You are confusing, as do most Church Pewsitters, the difference between faith and obedience. And, as well, you are "Chatting!!" about other Churchy sounding topics as if they relate to faith.

Can you tell us what you need to have by faith in your mind in order to obey God?

DHK sits here every day and defends our Lord. Monitoring this board cannot be easy. I know because sometimes I can be very difficult.

My question to you is this......without faith, why would you want to obey God?

John

 

[JoReba]

These men lived by faith. Their lives showed it. The Bible says:
Yea, all who live Godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

All of the apostles were insulted by the enemies of their Master. They were called to seal their doctrines with their blood and nobly did they bear the trial.
Matthew suffered martyrdom by being slain with a sword at a distant city of Ethiopia.
Mark expired at Alexandria, after being cruelly dragged through the streets of that city.
Luke was hanged upon an olive tree in the classic land of Greece.
John was exiled to the Isle of Patmos.
Peter was crucified at Rome with his head downward.
James, the Greater, was beheaded at Jerusalem.
James, the brother our Lord, was thrown from a lofty pinnacle of the temple, and then beaten to death with a fuller's club.
Bartholomew was flayed alive.
Andrew was bound to a cross, whence he preached to his persecutors until he died.
Thomas was run through the body with a lance in India.
Jude was shot to death with arrows.
Matthias was first stoned and then beheaded.
Barnabas of the Gentiles was stoned to death at Salonika.
Paul, after the various tortures and persecutions, was at length beheaded at Rome by the Emperor Nero.

Such was the fate of the Apostles.
They lived by faith. Their faith was in the Lord Jesus Christ. Faith is not in the material but in the spiritual. The object of our faith must be in Christ. And theirs was.

What go those Patriarchs have to do with you? Do you replicate their faith ... ? If you cite their faith yet do not replicate their faith, then you are not being faithful, and are powerless.

 

[seekingthetruth]

Do you ever go to a secular doctor for medical care?

Dont you think that God heals through secular doctors also?

John

 

[JoReba]

Faith is the personal enactment of belief. Without faith we have nothing with which to communicate to God our belief.

Its like looking at a bottomless pot of gold free for the taking, yet not reaching in to gather any for oneself......

What exactly do you do to personally enact your faith? Give ten examples if you are in touch with reality.

 

[JoReba]

This post right here demonstrates the power of God. With man it's impossible, but with God, ALL THINGS are possible!! Wonderful post AND testimony to what God can, and does, do. :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

If "All Things Are Possible!!", then why have you not done "All Things!!" with God?

Lol. I predict you will have no meaningful answer.

 

[seekingthetruth]

What exactly do you do to personally enact your faith? Give ten examples if you are in touch with reality.

Sometimes God's plans are not the same as ours.

What you said here is very cold and unchristianlike.

Why are you here on the BB? Just to make trouble?

Do you hate God?

What is your agenda?

John