savedbymercy
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You teach salvation by works, that man must do something to get saved !
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You teach salvation by works, that man must do something to get saved !
Those who believe on jesus have eternal life, those who do not have the wrath of God still abiding on them!
savedbymercy
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You teach salvation by works, which is condemned by God !
The Bible teaches that salvation is by faith.
Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Romans 4:4-5 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
You cannot go on denying the totality of Scripture.
Salvation is by faith, and faith alone.
Your problem is that you define faith as a work.
When you misdefine faith as a work; if you believe that, then it is you that has the works salvation. And that is heresy.
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dhk
No, its by Grace through faith, which is salvation by Grace alone !
Eph 2:5
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )
Acts 15:11
11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
You reject salvation by Grace alone and add works , man's faith !
No, its by Grace through faith, which is salvation by Grace alone !
Eph 2:5
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )
Acts 15:11
11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
You reject salvation by Grace alone and add works , man's faith !
God has not only elected the persons but the means applied by the Holy Spirit to obtain their salvaiton in time and space. Grace may be the basis but the grace is being applied THROUGH faith.
You quoted two verses and pervert their meanings.
I quoted TEN verses for you and you can't refute a single one of them.
Salvation is by faith.
savedbymercy
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savedbymercy
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What Faith is in regards to Justification !
Contrary to the prevalent false teachings that faith is an condition one must meet in order to get saved, Faith is the manifestation of and ratification of God's Free Gracious Justification of His Elect, hence, it is the Faith of God's Elect Titus 1:1
1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
Contrary to the prevalent false teachings that faith is an condition one must meet in order to get saved, Faith is the manifestation of and ratification of God's Free Gracious Justification of His Elect, hence, it is the Faith of God's Elect Titus 1:1
1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
Jesus death was the full atonement for /on behalf of the Elect of God, but his death ONLY benefits them when grace of god is effectual applied to their behalf, thru faith in him!
savedbymercy
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Thats works salvation. Christ death is applied to all whom He died by the Holy Spirit's work in giving them a New Birth 1 Pet 1:3
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
faith comes by hearing of the word of God!
Those who are the Elect of God, chosen by God to be found in Christ, becomes such and confirm their election WHEN they place their faith in jesus and get saved!
SBM fails to distinguish between what the elect are by ETERNAL PURPOSE versus what they literally are in TIME. He does not understand that "predestination" is the link between what they are in PURPOSE and application of that purpose in time and reality. According to his view there would be no need for "predestination" as they already regenerated (called), justified, and glorified before the even are born into this world because you cannot pick and choose between regenerated, justified and glorified!! It is either all or none! Either they are already regenerated, justified and glorified before the world began in REALITY and APPLICATION or they are not already regenerated, justified and glorified in REALITY and APPLICATION before the world began. It is either or but not both and not a pick and choose deal.
How can one be regenerated by God before even actually born?
How can we be born into sin, as sinners, yet also be born again at physical birth?
IF he wants to claim to have been either Virgin born or else Immaculale conceived, would be as he states, but doubt could claim either of those!
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yesh
Who said it didn't ! I showed from scripture that the death of Christ is applied to those Christ died for by the Holy Spirit, who by His Resurrection give them a New Birth 1 Pet 1:3
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Tha's how those Christ died for receive the Gift of eternal life, by New Birth James 1:17-18
17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
The Gift of God , Eternal Life Rom 6:23 is not an offer, it is a New Birth ! Thats is the application ! Now dispute that and prove it wrong, I challenge you or anyone else !
Who said it didn't ! I showed from scripture that the death of Christ is applied to those Christ died for by the Holy Spirit, who by His Resurrection give them a New Birth 1 Pet 1:3
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Tha's how those Christ died for receive the Gift of eternal life, by New Birth James 1:17-18
17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
The Gift of God , Eternal Life Rom 6:23 is not an offer, it is a New Birth ! Thats is the application ! Now dispute that and prove it wrong, I challenge you or anyone else !
This verse does not show a limited atonement.
Christ died for all. John 3:15; 1John 2:2
This also shows that Christ died for all, but of all in the world that Christ died for his death was efficacious only to them that believed. Therefore the "new birth" is applicable only to those that believe.
Again you avoid hundreds of Scriptures. Christ died for all. Those that receive the gift of eternal life are those that believe. See John 5:24.
There is no shadow of turning with God. He never changes. Remember what the prophet in the OT said about the Lord: "I am the Lord, I change not." He offers salvation to all. Only those who believe will be given eternal life; will be born again.
The key here is "the word of truth." See 1Pet.1:23--born again by the word of God. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. One cannot choose to either accept the free gift of eternal life or reject it unless they hear the gospel first.
Quote the whole verse.
The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
A wage is something we earn. We earn eternal death--separation from God for all eternity.
In contrast eternal life is given to us as a free gift, given to us who believe on Christ. It is through Jesus Christ our Lord. It is to be received by faith. There is no other way to obtain it. One must receive the gift by faith. Every gift must be received. There is no other way to obtain a gift but by receiving it.
savedbymercy
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dhk
It sure does unless everyone in the world is born again by the resurrection of Christ !
It sure does unless everyone in the world is born again by the resurrection of Christ !
No one is born again "by the resurrection" of Jesus Christ. People are born again by the Spirit of God (Jn. 3:3-6).
savedbymercy
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Tell it to Peter
1 Pet 1:3
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
NIV Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
ESV Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
All you are doing is denying clear scripture revelation !
NO, you are denying the truth of Scripture by a twisted interpretation.
The resurrection of Christ was for all men.
"And I, if I be lifted up, I will draw all men to myself."
Not some men, but all men. His resurrection was for all men.
Those that believe on him will be saved.
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