You missed verse 11: Do not speak evil against one another, brothers.
James speaks to those already saved. They were brothers.
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You missed verse 11: Do not speak evil against one another, brothers.
James speaks to those already saved. They were brothers.
Take note of the wording of the Great Commission as given by Luke 24:47 in comparison to Mark 16:15-16.
Mark says go preach the Gospel and whoever "beleiveth" whereas Luke says they will preach "repentance."
They are interchangable terms because repentance is inclusive of saving faith and vice versa.
Gospel repentance and faith are interchangable because they both are inseparable from the INWARD CHANGE OF HEART whereby the heart when turning from sin is turning to Christ. They are INTERNAL acts of the heart not external actions. This is what Paul refers to when he speaks about obedience of the heart to the gospel.
It is God that turns the heart and repentance and faith are the experience of being turned by God. - "Turn us O God and we shall be turned."
Mark says go preach the Gospel and whoever "beleiveth" whereas Luke says they will preach "repentance."
They are interchangable terms because repentance is inclusive of saving faith and vice versa.
Gospel repentance and faith are interchangable because they both are inseparable from the INWARD CHANGE OF HEART whereby the heart when turning from sin is turning to Christ. They are INTERNAL acts of the heart not external actions. This is what Paul refers to when he speaks about obedience of the heart to the gospel.
It is God that turns the heart and repentance and faith are the experience of being turned by God. - "Turn us O God and we shall be turned."
You are the one who needs to watch her accusations.
Now, you go through DHK's replies to me and look for things you can bring up about how wrong he is to speak to me the way he does.
You just said in your other reply, "That is why the belief is different. I didn't just believe that there was a historic Jesus who died for sins. I put my faith in the God who saved me. It was not just a mental assent but a heart turned."
So make up your mind. Does a person have to have something in their heart or not? You say one thing and then say another. You contradict yourself.
I do not have such a person in front of me to debate with, so anything you say about someone else is not helpful to this debate nor relevant.
James is explaining how to be saved.
I gave many other scriptures that prove we have to do something in order for God to choose us, but you try to discount all the scriptures because you think you found a clause in James. Again, I gave many scriptures saying repent and turn from wickedness before God will hear a person.
James 4:7-10 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. 10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.
You had to go and throw in some falseness. You are quoting Lamentations 5:21. The people who said turn us O God and we shall be turned are about people who already believe!
That scripture is also translated, “Restore us to yourself, O LORD, that we may return;
Calvinism misunderstands that scripture. Again, the people you quoted are already believers. They wanted God to come back to them!
Defensive much? It is just what caught my eye. I do not need to go back and read every thread. I am just letting you know what I saw. I have no need to watch my accusations.
God didn't save me because I was sorry for my sins. He saved me because of His mercy.
But you are saying that if we "do" everything right, God will save us. I disagree. There are those who "do" everything right and they still go to hell.
Once again, you miss that he is speaking to those who are saved.
If we have to do something in order for God to choose us, we have a right to boast and can stand before God and say "I did....." but that is not at all what the Scriptures tell us. We are not saved because of righteous things we have done but because of God's mercy. While we were sinners, Christ died for us. Salvation is not based on works.
I have the right to defend myself. What in the world are you coming back being defensive yourself. Do you know what a hypocrite is? Do you know what a contradictive person is? Could you stop making this thread about your assumptions what you think I am doing. Stop attacking me.
He is speaking about being saved. You cannot change that fact.
It reminds me of some kind of brain washing when I hear people repeat that even after reading God’s words for themselves. Again, the work we are not saved by is circumcision, external washings for an earthly temple and worship, sin offerings, and sacrifices. Those are the WORKS we are not saved by, nor do we have to do those anymore. God nailed those things to the cross. Do you think God nailed repentance to the cross? NO.
2 Corinthians 7:10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
Is there something you do not understand about REPENTANCE THAT LEADS TO SALVATION?
Why do you keep fighting the truth?
Who are those people, Ann? Why do you not tell us who those people are that obey God in everything yet are going to Hell? That is just a deceitful thing to say to try to get people to believe in false doctrines.
Oh - so I can't respond? OK - I'll leave you to your own words.
Were the Pharisees and Saduccees saved? Was the young rich man who spoke to Jesus who did everything right saved?
Except when it's false. He was speaking to those saved. You can't be saved twice.
Do you see the rest of verse 10? "worldly sorrow brings death". Those people are sorry for their sins as well - yet they will face death.
The Pharisees and the teacher’s of the law were the only ones who did not repent and get baptized! As for the rich man, he did not obey God in everything, for he cherished his riches more than being saved. As for saying he went to Hell, you do not know that!
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James tells them to submit to God! People who want God to save them must submit to God.
James 4:7-10 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. 10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.
You sure are confused. Worldly sorrow brings death, yet you claim those people are sorry for their sins as well! Will you say anything to protect a false religion? Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation. Can you admit that REPENTING LEADS TO SALVATION?
2 Corinthians 7:10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
Godly sorrow is the sorrow of saved individuals. He is writing to the church, the saints at Corinth. They were the ones with "Godly sorrow." An unsaved man does not come to Christ with "Godly sorrow." He cannot. The repentance spoken of here is the repentance over a sin committed by a believer, not an unbeliever. The salvation spoken of here is a possible physical salvation, such as a deliverance from death (1Cor.11:30). Believers don't need to be saved. You have taken this verse out of context and you use it for your own pre-determined theology which the Bible condemns.
Salvation is not of works. It is the free gift of God.
You deny the teaching of both Eph.2:8,9 and Rom.6:23, as well as Rom.4:1-5, and Rom.5:1. Let me see you explain those scriptures.
My question to you was: Where does it say one must be saved on the basis on being sorry for their sins?
You have not answered that question.
The entire epistle is written to "my brethren," or Christians. For example, just in the previous chapter, James writes:
James 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
--One doesn't address the unsaved like that.
The closing verse of chapter three, right before chapter four starts is this:
James 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
--The fruit of righteousness comes only from saved individuals.
--Remember also there were no chapter divisions in the original Greek. They were put in much later. Thus "my brethren" applies as much to chapter four as it does to chapter three.
Chapter 4:7-10 is written to believers, not to the unsaved. It has nothing to do with the unsaved. It has nothing to do with being sorry for sins in order to be saved.
You still haven't answered my question. Where does it say in the Bible that one must be saved on the basis of being sorry for one's sins?
It doesn't.
I will tell you this. If one is sorry for their sins, and that is all he will go to Hell! Judas was sorry for his sins, went out and hung him self, and is in hell today. Being sorry for your sins doesn't cut it. That is not what Christ demands. He demands faith in him, faith in his atoning blood.
Salvation is by faith and faith alone.